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It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
#21
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:You don't know what happened in that situation at all.  So to say you know this black cop commited a murder is just an assumption.

I saw the tape.  You can too if you want to.  The cops claimed he made a threatening gesture with a gun.  I saw a man get out of a car and could not tell if he had anything in his hands because his arms were down at this side.  He backed away from his car and in seconds was murdered without ever raising his arms or making any kind of gesture. 

What the cops say - and this happens consistently - is not supported by the video evidence.

If there is no apparent reason to shoot - and remember that none of the other cops fired which to my mind means they saw nothing which would give them an excuse to start firing off their shiny guns - it is murder.

I can't help it if you don't like it but do not try to tell me what I saw on that video.

I'm not trying to tell you what you saw.

You didn't see a gun but you can see an ankle holster in some parts of some video clips you can also see what looks like a gun, the police say they recovered the gun and a lab analysis linked Keith Scott to the gun unless you think that was a conspiracy.

So what you basically have is an armed felon who's refusing to drop the gun while he's being asked to drop the gun.

I agree though I can't see any gestures of a threat and wether the police invented that as a lie to protect themselves or it's based on what they thought they saw in the heat of the moment while dealing with an armed felon I don't know.

Although I haven't found a statement by the police where they claim he did make a threatening gesture with the gun.

 According to the department, officer Brentley Vinson “perceived Mr Scott’s actions and movements as an imminent physical threat to himself and the other officers”, and fired.

 I take that to mean his actions being walking backwards while not dropping the weapon and obeying commands were considered a threat to the police officers.

There could be other police statements I don't know.

Kerr Putney, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police chief, said officers were searching for a suspect on Tuesday when they saw 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott exit a vehicle with a handgun, and mistook him for the wanted man.

He said the officers told Scott, who was black, to drop his gun and that he got out of the vehicle a second time still carrying the gun.
He said the man was shot because he potentially posed a threat, but added that it was unclear whether he at any point pointed the weapon at police. A weapon was recovered by detectives at the scene.

Again nothing about a gesture with a gun but just that he posed a potential threat due to not dropping the weapon.


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#22
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 2:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I think the solution is to start recruiting police from inside the community.

Keith Scott was murdered by a black cop.  The problem is not black v white but rather black v blue.  The cop mentality is the problem.

You should probably check out the facts, before you go jumping to conclusions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...ings-2016/

In 2016 there have been more unarmed people who are white, who have been shot by cops, than black. In 2015 is the number of unarmed black people was slightly higher, but not by much. And even then there are other the circumstances involved, not just the fact that they where unarmed which must be looked at on a case by case basis.

It is tragic in any case... but, sometimes the person brings it on themselves, and other times the cop should be held criminally responsible. Why is it, that you only bring up the black people shot by police, and only white people who are not?
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#23
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
It's unconstitutional for the government to allow people to run loose with a proven potentiality for killing other people.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#24
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 4:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: It's unconstitutional for the government to allow people to run loose with a proven potentiality for killing other people.

Prison for everyone? Robot prison guards?


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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#25
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 4:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: It's unconstitutional for the government to allow people to run loose with a proven potentiality for killing other people.

I know that I am not flavour of the month here, but I do agree with that statement. If only the American police forces could adopt a UK/Australian model of getting rid of weapons, and giving licences out to all and sundry, perhaps the need for cops to have guns might diminish over time. The cops don't need guns, and neither do the citizens.
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#26
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
What neighborhood would we suggest starting in for going door to door and removing all the firearms ??

(See how fast this topic can go septic ??)
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#27
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 2:52 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(September 25, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You cared enough to ascribe it. Perhaps it was your wording that was vague?

I'm talking about actions. I was very clear about precisely what actions I'm referring to and the circumstances under which those actions were taken.

I'm not going to argue about what you wrote. It's in your post, and it is not accurate.

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#28
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
(September 25, 2016 at 4:35 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: What neighborhood would we suggest starting in for going door to door and removing all the firearms ??

(See how fast this topic can go septic ??)

This has nothing to do with going door to door. All the American government has to do is give the people who own arms an incentive just like the Australian government did for its citizens. It is a question of, do you really need a gun?
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#29
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
Quote:You didn't see a gun but you can see an ankle holster in some parts of some video clips you can also see what looks like a gun, the police say they recovered the gun and a lab analysis linked Keith Scott to the gun unless you think that was a conspiracy.

That is not what they claimed.... and frankly, just between us, have you ever heard of a "drop-piece"?  http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...op%20Piece


http://fox59.com/2016/09/20/charlotte-po...g-protest/

Quote:“The subject got back out of the vehicle armed with a firearm and posed an imminent deadly threat to the officers who subsequently fired their weapon striking the subject,” police said.

That is not apparent from the video, which the chief reluctantly has admitted.  Still, they are sticking to their story.  

I saw nothing in the video that looked like a gun and in the audio all I can hear is cops shouting for handcuffs.  Not one says anything about securing a gun.  My guess is that they didn't plant it until later.
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#30
RE: It's Unconstitutional for the Police to Kill People
There are individuals with hundreds.

What kind of incentive (consistent with the laws of physics as we know them in this universe) can you offer to them to turn them all in ??

Seriously.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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