How the fuck is there a statute of limitations for rape in New York?

[KevinM1]

Drich said a gross, mean (and blatantly false) thing and now, instead of taking responsibility for the thing he actually said, he's going to try and twist it to show that meant something else; that he meant the rape didn't happen in the "eyes of the law".

He claims he has no emotional investment in the topics he participates in, yet he has NO explanation for why he says hurtful, offensive things to specific individuals.  I think it's because he enjoys being hurtful, which IS his emotional pay-off.  

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[Athene]

"Guide me, Father God! Speak through me...help me find the words to speak to this bitch lost sister, so that she may transform her life, and be set free in your Holy name."



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[Iroscato]

There are few things more despicable than a horrible human being who thinks he has the creator and supreme ruler of the cosmos on his side in everything that he says and does.

[Drich]

I did not blame the victim. I simply explained why there is a time limit to rape in some states.

emphasis mine.

Bullfuckingshit. You explained jack crap.

Let me quote you since you don't see where you blamed the victim:

Oh.. wait a tick lets look at what i said in it's completed context. (Which was said before your story was shared

Here's a thought...

IF it takes a woman or man waits 5 years to report a rape... it wasn't.

If someone drills you in the can and you seriously did not want to be drilled in the can, then why wait over 5 years to report it?

It is far more likely that alleged 'victim' seeks or see to further benefit from said can drilling by changing their consent status. After all how can one prove consent? Now how can one prove consent after such a long time? oh, that's right they don't say anything for more than 5 years.

So how does NY have a statute of limitations on rape? Because at one time the state law makers had a modicum of common sense.

I did not explain anything? how about I did not blame anyone for a rape. I did not say it was the victim's fault I never mentioned the circumstances nor did I ever call into question the victim's right to report said rape in the alotted SoL..

I did however offer a viable narrative from which why it would take 5+ years to report a rape. (I had Donald Trump and the two women coming out of the wood after answerson cooper all but begged for someone to pop up.) come to mind.. doesn't have to be true, all we need is just the accusation, and a man's life can be ruined.

Your's is another possible narrative i did not say you were lying. However I did say that with the RIGHT support you would not have failed to report.

I was simply stating a fact. That not every woman who claims to be raped has been.

It is far more likely that alleged 'victim' seeks or see to further benefit from said can drilling by changing their consent status. After all how can one prove consent? Now how can one prove consent after such a long time? oh, that's right they don't say anything for more than 5 years.

bolding mine.

But did you see what you had to do to shift the contextual narrative I indented to support your claim of victim blaming? does it not bother you that you have to bend the truth to be right here? If this is the case, and your willing to play so fast and loose with the truth, then one has to wonder what other facts you'd be willing to change just to win the pity vote all over again...

If I truly was victim blaming then why could you quote everything I said? or did it change your message too much?

...when some people rightfully obtain victim hood they seek to go no further. If you find a person like this, then the best thing is to pay them their due and move on to try and help someone who wants it.

 

Who the fuck are you to say that a victim doesn't want help? Asshole.

The fact that they perpetually sees themselves as a victim. Even after decades.

And this gem... because you totally took what I said entirely out of context, shifted things to BLAME me for not speaking up. Never mind that I said why I didn't report it in the first place. Threats, fear and intimidation mean nothing to you. Nope. You just continued to lay blame squarely on MY shoulders because you are dripshit.

You by your own word don't seek justice for yourself or anyone else

Oh look... here's another. What's this make? # three?

wow going for broke huh? what happens when i just reframe what I carfully said?

while the later is true (the moster bit) I am well aware of abuse and how it can be used to control people. I also know how to work myself from it. allowing someone to pity themselves and wallow in their 'instance' of it, creates victims. If a 'victim' ever wants control of their life back, they must learn to focus and channel themselves into being something other than a victim.. Anger can work for a while but ultimately leads back down to the path of victim hood once one burns themselves out.

If anyone wants to reclaim themselves then they need to learn to identify themselves apart from what happened. This starts by what I did by asking questions concerning this a-hole's other victims and how her in actions could have realistically gotten some other girl raped. This takes the sigma off the victim and obliges them to act... But if the goal here is to be a victim, and to self center and shut down, then this effort will be met by resistance...

Unfortunatly the popular culture prizes it's victims, and when some people rightfully obtain victim hood they seek to go no further. If you find a person like this, then the best thing is to pay them their due and move on to try and help someone who wants it.

Seriously??

You by your own word don't seek justice for yourself or anyone else, yet I'm the bad guy for pointing out the truth?

See this is the difference between he said and she said when there is an actual paper trail. You are reading through the eyes of burning anger and emotion. and I am carfully selecting and think on my words to convey a very specific point.

Yet when you recompile them you only see what you want to see. Victim blaming so you can rightfully focus your anger on me, and have your friends come to the rescue. Now imagine 5 years go by and there is no paper trail about what is said, and you accuse me of victim blaming then... Guilt or innocence at that point is moot, because nothing beside the fact we had a conversation may be established.

The truth, I never blamed you for anything. If you were raped it was not your fault if you say it wasn't. I am not here to judge that, and if you can bring yourself to read any of this with a clear mind you will see that to be true.
I am just pointing out what should be obvious. the only difference between sex and rape is a state of mind. So then how can an innocent man prove a state of mind in another person who now claims the opposite.

Again Time is our only measure.

It is far from perfect, but it is our only measure.

If you want to be a victim the rest of your life then simply continue down the path your on. Seek consul only from those who pity you and offer condolences. Don't ever seek to move past what happen only seek to forget it till someone mentions the word rape in a way you don't want to hear it and then force yourself to relive it.

I didn't say I wanted to be a victim for the rest of my life. I had already stated that I had put it behind me.

You claiming to have to 'take time' says otherwise.

Furthermore, you don't know what I have done in my life to try and move past it. So don't you dare make assumptions on something you don't know.

I am free to put together a window into your life as you are mine with what we share with each other. That is the whole friggen point of this form of communication. If you don't want that to happen then don't put your personal crap in a public forum. You can't have it both ways cry baby. you can't share an intimate detail mandate how we are supposed to process it and remain an enigma all at the same time. Like it or not when ever we write something it gives everyone else who cares to read a nother bit of info to complete a personal profile. We all do it... just look at the crap the old timers said about me.

Here try this:
Look at your personal profile for nymphoria as a close facsimile of yourself. Share honestly, but don't put it all out there. Only put out what you can comfortably share. If you can not share you rape story without going to pieces THEN DONT SHARE THAT STORY!!! Don't expect everyone to play by the pity rules you want them to play by.. There are those of us who have indeed been through what you have and far worse and found their way out of it and dare even some may say are better/more able to handle life and help others handle life because of it.

YOUR words and your blatant ignorance triggered me.

No what triggered you was my slight to your pride as a victim. I don't speak out of ignorance me being able to walk that line and have you trip yourself up on it by misquoting me should be proof of that.

Your insensitivity to a traumatic event got that fucking ball rolling.

I have worked with people who have experienced rape and other traumatic events like it, and all B/S aside I wanted to see how you'd react if challenged. There are two different people when it comes to this stuff wallowers and people who are in various stages of recovery.

What you told me was you are entitled to an opinion, and because mine is different I am not, because you wear a badge of victimhood...

Again which is fine I just want you to know when that badge gets too heavy you can join the rest who have recovered. Those in or who have recovered from something like this understand that each road to recovery is different, and to say one road is less viable that another either means that person is a victim for life or worse is just someone trying to win an argument.

Asshole. And judging by the subsequent nature of this post, you continue to do so, not having a single clue as to how I handled my own shit at the time it happened. Yep. I shared a part of my past because YOU decided to write a post claiming the following:

IF it takes a woman or man waits 5 years to report a rape... it wasn't.

So again, please explain to me the difference between consensual sex and rape in the eyes of new york state law after the 5 year SoL has lapsed??
The truth? there is no difference.

So yeah, let's trivialize the victim's experience all together by saying it didn't happen simply because they didn't report it within a certain timeframe.

Or again lets seek to empower the supposed victim, by taking the onus of guilt and shame off of them place it on the attacker, and plant a reminder that if this person is willing to do it once they will do it again.

So I guess if a five year old child is raped by their uncle, but they are threatened with death by that uncle, if they so much as tell their parents...

You should have you children taken away if you can not tell the difference between a 5 year old before uncle mc rappie gets a hold of a child and after.

it's not rape because they were too scared of dying, to fucking report it? AT FIVE YEARS OF AGE?

Unless the kid is a genuis or had some traumatic death experience, death is not a tenable concept, but being raped is, if the child has been raped already. Being ripped apart by a man and can't use the bathroom with out bleeding and pain of infection and so on is far more understandable than "floating upside down in a gold fish bowl." So my vote is kid pees himself and starts crying when ever in close proxcimity to uncle mc rappie. EVEN IF THEY DONT SAY A WORD.

Or maybe a seven year old girl is repeatedly raped by her dad, but dad threatens that if she tells, he will do the same thing to her younger sister. So she doesn't say anything because she wants to protect her sister? No...

Then that girl is a retard too if she think daddy will stop with her. At some point the older sister will get too old and the younger ones will be the right age... then daddy dearest will start to have those long stares and everything else the older sister endured because it is a game to them... If Oldersister saw this 'courtship' phase starting with the younger sister then her whole 'taking one for the team' means nothing... Then it becomes consensual. You can't say I will do "X" if you only do "X" but then the deal changes and the other person is doing now "Y" and your still doing "X" is because on some level you want to be there.

according to YOU those incidents aren't rape because the goddammed five year old and seven year old children didn't report it.

Did it only happen once? and do you know rape and pedophilia is not the same thing? In most states their is no limitations on bring a child rapist to justice.

You'd probably want to blame them both for not having the common sense to know that they would be safe even if they did report it, so shame on them for not thinking like an adult, right?

I say the older one of the two should have grown up and said something at some point between now and then.

What if you just found out that one of your daughters was raped several years ago, but she didn't report it out of fear? What if it was past the SOL for your state?

Remember above where i said you need to compartmentalize you and your avatar/screen name can live nearly identical lives but one does not have to include everything the other does? Drich has no kids as far as any of you are aware.
That is where i draw the line. There is only an assumption one way or the other. That said. I can not imagine living the life I lived that i would not know if something like that were to go down and I would just be oblivious to it. But lets say it did.. either way I'd take care of it.

Based on YOUR reasoning and shit opinion, would you be so ignorant to tell her "Oh honey, you didn't report it within the SOL for our state, so, I'm sorry, but the trauma you think you went through, didn't really happen.

either way I'd take care of it.

Sorry for your loss. Just get over it and move on. Daddy loves you."  Yeah. I can actually envision you saying that. To your own child.

again, I'd take care of it. the laws concerning pediphilia are different than the laws concerning rape.

This is NO different with adults who have been threatened, coerced, intimidated or have had any other means of "keeping them quiet" done to them. If the adult is genuinely in fear for what may happen, they aren't going to report it. At the least, they are going to have a very difficult time wrestling with the knowledge that they should report it, but what if they do and the threats turn out to be promises that ARE followed through with? You don't fucking get it. You'll never fucking get it.

What you don't get, is your way of doing things (while maybe how you get out of bed in the morning) is not the only way of doing things.

Look you motherfucking piece of shit. I don't care who the hell you are. You get NO free pass to make a determination that a rape didn't happen just because it wasn't reported. Get the fuck over yourself and quit being such an arrogant, worthless, piece of fucking shit.

Go play in heavy traffic. Moron.

because your experience entitles you to say so???

Again, you are either a perpetual victim or someone who self righteously has put on a banner.

If you want to be a victim:
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sorry someone has betrayed you this way, I'm sorry that you did not get to live that childhood most of us get to live. I deep regret any pain I caused. I did not mean to upset your grieving process. You can take as much time as you need mourning your loss. I can only imagine how much hurt and destruction I have cause to your world view, and i donot seek to cause you any more harm.

That said if your looking step into a form of recovery that does not have you look to this event to define who you are or even your position on this subject, I can honestly help. Worked with kids of abuse in Big brother program (again I was one) and haved help adults cope with things that happened to them as children as well..

I don't normally push so hard up front, but at the same time you do not have to exactly look me in the eye when coming up with details... the only real way to separate the wheat from the chaff is for them both the be threshed and winnowed. (look it up before you assume anything)

[The Grand Nudger]

-damnit, I already posted that pic of burning tires....what now?

[Drich]

So in the eyes of the law...

Let say a rape happens but the SoL Expires...

What is the difference between what happens to a man who raped the woman and a man who had consensual sex with her in that expired time frame??

So again if the SoL Expires and a rape is not reported then in the eyes of the law it is no different than consensual sex.

Because Nothing Happens...

Now if you take that concept and plug it back into the original context from which you plucked it, I advocate that a rape victim be compelled to report their attacker if for no other reason than to keep someone else from going through that very same thing.

This begins to shift the same and guilt off of the individual who was attacked and if stepped through the process begins the cycle of re-enpowerment. In that the victim becomes the aggressor/disruptor of lives.

The alternative allows you (someone who hears the story) an easy out by pilling on the pity, never mind pity just feeds the self loathing, it's what you want.. a juicy tidbit no responsibility the chance to dump on someone who says your system of dealing with grief is flawed.

People who have been dealt this hand need options aside from being drown in pity by well meaning lookie lous.

Again, you've completely missed my point, Drich.  Are you doing that on purpose?

then explain you point to me as if I were a small child

[Drich]

See I don't just do that to you guys because i think i am way too smart for you/arrogant.. I do that because that is what I want done for me.

[Athene]

See I don't just do that to you guys because i think i am way too smart for you/arrogant.. I do that because that is what I want done for me.

Yeah...that worked out stunningly well, didn't it?

[Drich]

then why attack me for not offering the usual pity statements?

I'm not attacking you for not offering pity; I'm attacking you for lacking decency.
Read. Learn the difference. 

You were NOT being constructive when you to responded to EACH ONE of the reasons she presented as to why someone may not report a rape, with a dick-jerking emoji. Are you going to continue to pretend that you only came here to help her heal, when that post is available for everyone to see? 

Quit pissing on my leg, and telling me it's raining. You're a fucking liar, Drich. 
Plain and simple.

then please define the two..

I see decency as something that will ultimately free a person from a chain or shackle/something like this from which the bind themselves. even if like medcine it taste bad up front.

I see empty platitudes and pity as empty self reenforcing alternative to proper help. I see what is easier for me to say, hurting the person more long term. I see that as the true evil. I don't get you people. you pretend to care for one another but only in carfully drawn out rituals... None of you are willing to get down and dirty and help a fellow member do anything other than toe the line of grief the way she has always dealt with it.

[Drich]

Drich said a gross, mean (and blatantly false) thing and now, instead of taking responsibility for the thing he actually said, he's going to try and twist it to show that meant something else; that he meant the rape didn't happen in the "eyes of the law".

He claims he has no emotional investment in the topics he participates in, yet he has NO explanation for why he says hurtful, offensive things to specific individuals.  I think it's because he enjoys being hurtful, which IS his emotional pay-off.  

I am not sure what you are refering... if you are going to quote me I ask you do it contextually.

I offer a initial talking point. one frought with many potential questions.

When I first started this, I would answer any and all questions I would think anyone could have.. but I quickly learned each one of you is different. meaning I could post something that answers every possible angle and you all would still ask me the same questions if I said nothing at all. AND if you follow this thread you will see I have answered the same questions multiple times. Which again is why I offer an initial topic and have always fielded every serious single follow up Question ever posted as far as i know.

maybe troll for a rule violation somewhere else.