I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

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[Mariosep]

Dear colleagues here, I am not yet conversant with the formatting codes here, so please bear with me.

Now, it is simple to prove the existence of the nose in our face, because we just have to touch it, therefore it is a matter of direct experience with our external senses.

What about something that is beyond our direct experience, How do we prove that it exists or it does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind?

[GrandizerII]

"Something can't come out of nothing."

I have no problem with this one. It's similar to saying that married people cannot be bachelors. Of course, this is assuming we're talking about the absolute "nothing" rather than the "Kraussian" nothing.

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[I_am_not_mafia]

What about something that is beyond our direct experience, How do we prove that it exists or it does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind?

If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

Anything else is mere speculation or hypothesis.

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Dear colleagues here, I am not yet conversant with the formatting codes here, so please bear with me.

Now, it is simple to prove the existence of the nose in our face, because we just have to touch it, therefore it is a matter of direct experience with our external senses.

What about something that is beyond our direct experience, How do we prove that it exists or it does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind?

With evidence.

That is why they built the large hadron collider to provide evidence that quantum theory was what it was thought to be.

You see without evidence all you have is words.

But when it comes to the god idea, it does not have enough going for it to call it a theory, it fails at every  step. It is so vague.
"God created the universe" is a typical canard of the lazy thinker.
It does not say how it created the universe and they are just content to leave it at that. 
It would be like a scientist just saying, "quantum" for everything they don't understand.
"What made the universe?", "probably something quantum" they'd say and not look into it or provide any evidence to support it.

Do you see the poorness of your technique? of why it does not convince?

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Mathilda says:

If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?

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Mathilda says:

If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?

I thought we were talking about gods here, so the thing with no evidence would be god or gods. I would go further and say that the whole supernatural realm is based on stories for children with no evidentiary or explanatory basis.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Mathilda says:

If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?

The it being anything that can't be measured. Whether it is God, space unicorns, a soul, ghosts or non-corporeal hyper-dimensional waffle makers.

If it has no discernible effect on reality then you can't prove that it exists.

[robvalue]

"Something can't come out of nothing."

I have no problem with this one. It's similar to saying that married people cannot be bachelors. Of course, this is assuming we're talking about the absolute "nothing" rather than the "Kraussian" nothing.

I don't thinks it's quite the same. By definition, you can't have a married bachelor. But you could have literally nothing, then somehow, something is there. It's possible to describe a way it could happen, even if the actual possibility or mechanics are unknown.

Of course, all of our scientific models would indeed suggest that you can't get something from nothing. But they are only models at the end of the day, and there's probably plenty of reality we can't access. Also, we've never had access to "nothing", to be able to study it.