I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[SofaKingHigh]

OK, who left the gate open on the cunt farm?

[Asmodee]

Now, dear atheist colleagues here, I am only one person here not a battalion, and you are many;

You might say we are legion...

Because you do not address my concept of God in order to first show that it is not a valid concept, and on the other hand you do not present any what I call decent information of the concept of God you have in your stock knowledge.

A "concept" is an idea. A "concept of God" is not the same as "God". You are starting with an idea of what God is and trying to prove that idea is real. But it isn't. NO idea is "real", it's just an idea. You can't prove some real deity exists by proving some messed up shit in your head is real. We know it's there. You've posted it like a THOUSAND times in way too many dozens of pages.

At this point I have to ask, are you having difficulty understanding us because of the language barrier, or are you just too ignorant to process the "concept" that your post was answered man times over long before the number of pages hit the double digits. YOUR ARGUMENT IS SHIT! QUESTION ANSWERED!!! Accept it or don't, just please, PLEASE fuck off about it already!

[Cyberman]

Dear powers that be here, thanks a lot that I have not been banned.

This has never been an eventuality. We do not police peoples opinions or beliefs and nobody is ever banned for holding them. There is no need to thank the operational Staff for discussions we have never had, other than to cast insinuations that we regard you as some sort of threat. Please get over yourself - you truly aren't that big of a deal.

[Astreja]

As you deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., just concentrate on God in my concept, that should save you a lot of time and trouble - logical isn't it?

No, it's much less time and trouble to just reject your silly concept and laugh at you.

[Mariosep]

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   The fact is that atheist colleagues will not come up with their information on the concept of God that makes sense in this issue of God existing or not, and it is as I have formulated it in step one of my proof for God existing, see ANNEX...

It is not up to us to come up with a concept of a god, then prove it does not exist. It is up to you to define your god, then provide evidence for its existence.

If you are able to convince us, then we would no longer be atheists.

We are still waiting.....

No need to be waiting uselessly, go and contemplate on how your papa and mama caused you to come to existence and life, and think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, as to infer from all instances of causation in the objective reality of existence outside of your mastery of fallacies all in your mind, to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and the operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Dear atheists and whoever else in this thread, I will now concentrate on Simon, please bear with my not reacting with you, but continue posting here for the benefit of readers.

ANNEX

   
  I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
  24th October 2016, 17:27

  This is my proof for God existing.

  1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
  "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

  2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

  3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

  4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

  5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

  6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


  What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

[Cyberman]

I'm just wondering why you felt it so important to emphasise your warning level.

[brewer]

I'm just wondering why you felt it so important to emphasise your warning level.

He's feeling neglected.

[Asmodee]

Man, am I glad we didn't do that drinking game. I don't even know how many drinks that last post would have been, but I drink very rarely, so I'm pretty sure I'd have alcohol poisoning.

Hey Mario. I'm still unclear about what God is. Could you just post a response where you say the same thing over and over like a hundred more times or so, word for word? Because if you just repeat it enough I'm sure I'll gain new understanding from it.

[Simon Moon]

   
  I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
  24th October 2016, 17:27

  This is my proof for God existing.

  1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
  "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

  2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

  3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

  4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

  5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

  6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


  What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

Do you think that by posting your 'proof' continually will magically cause it to no longer be loaded with flaws?

Maybe you do, since you believe that a god magically spoke the universe into existence.

I feel justified in reiterating the flaws in your argument, since you won't stop posting it:

1. Affirming the consequent - one of your premises is also your conclusion.

2. Fallacy of composition - just because the parts of the universe we observe exhibits cause and effect, does not mean it applies to the universe itself.

3. Equivocation - you are using the phrase "instances of causation" with 2 different meanings. One refers to the type of causation we observe within the universe, which is ex material causation. The second meaning you are using refers to a god causing the universe ex nihilo.

I know you don't understand any of these fallacies, nor why they invalidate your argument. But rest assured, they do. Any book on basic logic will explain why.

[Mariosep]

Well, Simon, you are obviously evading to answer my challenge to you to go into objective reality of existence to contemplate your papa and mama causing you to come to existence and life - see ANNEX below in bold.

So, when you do not do this contemplation, I do not reply or more correctly react at all to your further posting here.

For the rest of atheists and everyone else, do the same contemplation, and then let us talk about causation.

Otherwise, as there are all kinds of atheists in the internet with their self-identification of the kind they belong to, perhaps some enterprising web surfer will start a website with the name, The Unrealistic Atheists: because these atheists don't do nothing in the objective reality of existence, like contemplating how their papa and mama caused them to have come to existence and life, they just stick to working out inside their brain err mind, with manipulation of words and concepts, and feeling so smug with having explained away, to their vacuous satisfaction, the existence of God, without so much as stepping into the reality of existence outside their brain err mind.


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Excerpt, in #648 Simon Moon Wrote:

     

 Mariosep Wrote:
          The fact is that atheist colleagues will not come up with their information on the concept of God that makes sense in this issue of God existing or not, and it is as I have formulated it in step one of my proof for God existing, see ANNEX...

It is not up to us to come up with a concept of a god, then prove it does not exist. It is up to you to define your god, then provide evidence for its existence.

   If you are able to convince us, then we would no longer be atheists.

   We are still waiting.....

No need to be waiting uselessly, go and contemplate on how your papa and mama caused you to come to existence and life, and think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, as to infer from all instances of causation in the objective reality of existence outside of your mastery of fallacies all in your mind, to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and the operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Dear atheists and whoever else in this thread, I will now concentrate on Simon, please bear with my not reacting with you, but continue posting here for the benefit of readers.

   

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     I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
     24th October 2016, 17:27

     This is my proof for God existing.

     1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
     "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

     2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

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     3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.

     4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.

     5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

     6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


     What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?

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