I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[downbeatplumb]

What happened?

Atheists are not reacting to my posts anymore as of at this point in time, but there are still a lot of readers of my thread here.

Have you atheists, may I opine, already accepted defeat for having seen the proofs for God existing from me?

That goes to show that atheists for all their raving mad foul language, and personal attacks against me instead of my ideas, and likewise spiteful insult blasphemies against God, in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and also general filth in your heart and mind, to wit: your reason and intelligence have finally moved you to see light, and you are now convinced of Gold existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


Dear readers of my thread, thanks a lot for your presence, and let us all sit back and with bated breath await the reactions of our colleagues atheists here to my present post, telling us that they have finally come to enlightenment that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

That goes to show that no matter how much hate and spite and filth you oh atheists fill your heart and mind, the light of reason and intelligence does finally get to you, and you are now concurring with me on God exists, in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You can devote your heart and mind now liberated from all the hate and spite and filth against me and my fellow theists, and blasphemies against God, to work to reform religions in the world so that all faith systems are similarly liberated from all kinds of errors, errors which are making religions very disagreeable to you - oh atheists!

Let us sit back now, dear readers, and wait and see the reactions of our colleagues here, atheists with a lot erstwhile of hate, etc., how they post now.

Your crappy idea was soundly defeated on page one and you just repeated it over and over and over again so now we can just ridicule you as you are obviously immune from reason and evidence.

Your  "big idea" was "theres stuff so god".

This is not enough.

You must show why this is so.
Present how god did these things, with evidence to back up the claims.
prove that there is a god to do these things.
Show there isn't another explanation that works.

You have given nothing but blather empty of content and have added less than nothing to debate.

[Mariosep]

Thanks everyone for your presence and contribution to this my thread.

Now, I will thank again the founders and owners and operators of this web forum for doing a very good job, one of which is making this forum move fast!

Folks who just come over very recently, please do not ask me to repeat myself endlessly, all you have to do is to find all my posts, and they are all in this thread, on God existing or not.


Dear Asmodee, you have been here since the beginning, and I notice that you are now keen to talk about my insight and from it the proof that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning: you are keen to talk about my statement, namely:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

You seem to insist that the statement is not saying anything at all, suppose you give an example of something like say your nose (no more about penis, please, because it turns out that penis brings up more questions than answers), the nose in our face will serve as well and not be queasy to minors who happen to visit this thread.

Now, suppose you tell me, and please don't get annoyed as to resort again to raving mad foul language against me: you tell me in very brief words why you find that statement senseless?

I will just tell you that you are into thinking purely inside your brain, time to come to the concrete existence of things in the universe and also in the totality of existence whether within the big bang universe or in the grand totality of the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

You see, atheists talk endlessly inside their brain among themselves, but they dare not come out from their brain into the concrete reality of things which are independent of the operations of the brain, like for example, the nose in our face.

So, come out from your brain and judge the sense or nonsense of my statement:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."


Now, as usual, I will invite everyone to sit back and await with bated breath how Asmodee is going to react to my message here in this present post, namely, tell mankind why you find my statement above, to be without any sense and usefulness to you?

There, just react to the statement, no need to comment on everything that I mention in this message; I always read what posters say in regard to my main and essential point in a message - when I don't find them to attend to that, then I know for sure that they are not into serious exchange but seeking to escape from the point I bring up.

[Astreja]

As this sorry thread approaches the 100-page mark, I've been pondering one question: Why? What drives someone like Mariosep? Why sign up for a forum hostile to one's ideas and repeatedly hammer out the same dissonant chord?

At this point, I can come to only one conclusion: Mariosep's obsessive defence of his "proof" is really all that stands between him and apostasy. If he were to take our criticisms to heart he would then have to question the other things upon which he has built his faith, and if they were to fall, he would lose everything. A dream of eternal life in a celestial paradise could vanish in an instant, leaving him drifting in a world he is not yet ready to understand.

A faith that leads someone to ignore valid criticisms, tell lies about one's critics and generally behave like an insufferably pompous ass is already a dead faith, rotten meat that does no gods any honour. Mariosep is deeply wounded and we cannot help him.

[downbeatplumb]

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Thanks everyone for your presence and contribution to this my thread.

Now, I will thank again the founders and owners and operators of this web forum for doing a very good job, one of which is making this forum move fast!

Folks who just come over very recently, please do not ask me to repeat myself endlessly, all you have to do is to find all my posts, and they are all in this thread, on God existing or not.


Dear Asmodee, you have been here since the beginning, and I notice that you are now keen to talk about my insight and from it the proof that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning: you are keen to talk about my statement, namely:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

You seem to insist that the statement is not saying anything at all, suppose you give an example of something like say your nose (no more about penis, please, because it turns out that penis brings up more questions than answers), the nose in our face will serve as well and not be queasy to minors who happen to visit this thread.

Now, suppose you tell me, and please don't get annoyed as to resort again to raving mad foul language against me: you tell me in very brief words why you find that statement senseless?

I will just tell you that you are into thinking purely inside your brain, time to come to the concrete existence of things in the universe and also in the totality of existence whether within the big bang universe or in the grand totality of the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

You see, atheists talk endlessly inside their brain among themselves, but they dare not come out from their brain into the concrete reality of things which are independent of the operations of the brain, like for example, the nose in our face.

So, come out from your brain and judge the sense or nonsense of my statement:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."


Now, as usual, I will invite everyone to sit back and await with bated breath how Asmodee is going to react to my message here in this present post, namely, tell mankind why you find my statement above, to be without any sense and usefulness to you?

There, just react to the statement, no need to comment on everything that I mention in this message; I always read what posters say in regard to my main and essential point in a message - when I don't find them to attend to that, then I know for sure that they are not into serious exchange but seeking to escape from the point I bring up.

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Is this performance art? It seems about as pointkless.

[Tonus]

As this sorry thread approaches the 100-page mark, I've been pondering one question:  Why?  What drives someone like Mariosep?  Why sign up for a forum hostile to one's ideas and repeatedly hammer out the same dissonant chord?

Most likely, he is a troll or Poe. Repeating the same message over and over, ignoring attempts to address it by obfuscating, and pretending to remain above the fray while peppering his commentary with snide rejoinders. If we had more earnest and honest theists who would engage in lengthy discussions, threads like this would die quickly. As it is, they serve as a good example of why we're atheists-- it's genuinely difficult to differentiate this guy from so many of the drive-by bible-thumpers that you find in forums like this one and in comment sections across the web.

[Astreja]

Most likely, he is a troll or Poe.  Repeating the same message over and over, ignoring attempts to address it by obfuscating, and pretending to remain above the fray while peppering his commentary with snide rejoinders.

This is quite possible, but it's totally lacking in entertainment value and charm.  The better Poe artists, play-acting a batshit-insane believer, make us laugh.  I'm not laughing.

IMO, Mariosep suffers from some sort of religious scrupulosity and/or OCD, and is doing this because of a pathological compulsion far beyond his control.

[Tonus]

This is quite possible, but it's totally lacking in entertainment value and charm.

I'm not saying he's good at it...

[Astreja]

This is quite possible, but it's totally lacking in entertainment value and charm.

I'm not saying he's good at it...

Okay, now I *am* laughing.  The idea of a troll who isn't even good at trolling is definitely niche humour with a postmodernist flavour.

[Mariosep]

Haha, gotcha guys, Oh ye atheists here, you have not dared to address your brain to work on my statement, namely:

"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."

Hahahahahaha!

Allow me, you are scared stiff, to come out of your brain, to explain why you dare not review the statement as to say that it is a senseless statement, because once you start thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, all with objective reality like the nose in your face, and you Astreja, your baby now grown up even to manhood - ahahahaha, you will face the fact staring at you: you are doomed in your senseless denial of God existing, in concept as first and foremost,

"The creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."


Dear readers, thanks a lot for reading this my thread.

Do you notice that atheists here cannot that is why they dare not, come out of their brain to investigate reality like the nose in our face and the babies we bring forth into life and existence, and still deny God exists, in concept as:

"First and foremost, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

You see, dear readers, let you go to Infidels.org, they have the biggest collections of atheists talking no end all inside their brain, but never going forth into the objective reality of the nose in their face and also in particular the babies they and the rest of mankind bringing forth into objective existence, to explain how they account for the nose and the babies coming into existence and living status, without God in concept as:

"First and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

They will write volumes of words to say nothing but hope to dazzle you with their vacuous manipulation of words and more words, and when you demand,

"Hey what about the nose in our face and the babies we bring forth into existence and life, how do you explain that, but no saying that you don't know, because if you don't know, then keep quiet and go away from writing so voluminously to just at the end when the chips are down you have to utter shamefully, 'We [you] don't know'".

Okay, Astreja, mama Astreja, and all the atheists who used to be so busy with raving mad foul language against me, tell mankind what is your explanation for the nose in your face and the babies your papas and mamas produced besides yourselves.


Dear readers, as usual I will end up with this challenge to them, so that you will notice again, how they will not take up the challenge but again regurgitate endless volumes of stale sour vapid words all from their brain, and never examining the reality in existence of their nose and babies.

"Explain what you understand of the statement, ‘The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence,' as applied to the nose in your face and babies your papas and mamas procreate aside from yourselves, or better most importantly, YOURSELVES: explain how you came about without your papa and mama!"


Dear readers, don't forget to examine their posts and see that as usual they go into empty words to dazzle you but vacuously because they dare not show how the statement, "The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence," as applied to the nose in their face and to themselves as once been babies born from and by their papas and mamas, is senseless.*


Okay, atheists and in particular Astreja, you have been here from the beginning, get busy with the nose in your face and with your baby, and examine the statement as applied to yourself and your baby, "The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence," and explain why at all you dare not expound on it as to prove together with Asmodee (he's not dared to put in an appearance now) that it is without meaning to themselves.


Dear readers, it is very good that I have not been banned all these long pages of my thread, now is the best time to deal with them atheists here, and their raving mad foul language, because, now that I have with certainty concluded that they have no thinking at all or they dare not think at all, as to give credit to their reason and intelligence, if they do not suppress them but they do, that is why they are always into vacuous volumes of words to no effect in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

I repeat, from the paragraph above with an asterisk * at the end:

*Dear readers, don't forget to examine their posts and see that as usual they go into empty words to dazzle you but vacuously because they dare not show how the statement, "The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence," as applied to the nose in their face and to themselves as once been babies born from and by their papas and mamas, is senseless.*

[Tonus]

You will notice, dear reader, that the theist Mariosep uses the same approach as so many other theists, where he makes claims about "the totality of reality" and does not even attempt to produce a god. His intent is to imply that god is necessary via a process of elimination, not to actually produce evidence of a god. He will torture logic and spill forth word salad in copious volumes in order to lead the discussion as far away from evidence for god as he possibly can, instead demanding that atheists disprove the possibility of god existing.

One will note that he can neither explain his statement nor prove it nor indicate why it would lead us to the necessity of a god. He simply claims it, then claims it again, then tries to obfuscate with additional word salad designed to confuse the issue. It's not unusual to have theists approach the issue from the other end and demand that god be recognized as a default position that must be disproved. There is no other option-- god does not ever show up and the universe does not offer up any clues as to his existence, which would be considered as sufficient to dismiss any other concept.

Do away with the presupposition that god exists, and his attempted 'proof' leads him nowhere. What are the odds that he will do this? Zero, of course.