Do people hate the actual belief in God, or just the religious organizations?

[Huggy Bear]

What has knowledge gotten us exactly, besides more efficient ways to kill each other.

Which is more desirable, to live in accordance with nature as aincient Native Americans once did? Or this modern society? Personally I'd take the former.

Just speaking for myself, Hugs, I'll take indoor plumbing, antibiotics, central HVAC, cars, and the internet over sleeping in the dirt and having to hunt buffalo every damn day.

Fair enough.

I'll say this though, Native Americans had no need of antibiotics until Europeans showed up.

[Homeless Nutter]

Fair enough.

I'll say this though, Native Americans had no need of antibiotics until Europeans showed up.

That's an idiotic statement. Yes - they had the need for antibiotics, you utter oaf. They just didn't have the option, so they just lived on average 30 years, like other primitive cultures. I wish you didn't take modern medicine you'd be dead by now...

[Primordial Bisque]

or both?

i see people say "religion ruins everything" so that would point to the organizations and scriptures

i also see people say "youre dumb if you believe in god"

so, what do people hate? or at least, what do people have the most issue with?

Hate is a strong word. I don't hate beliefs in god; or, more precisely, people's beliefs in god. Do I think it's nonsensical? Yes, of course. Do I think they should step out of the dark ages and embrace a secular worldview? Yes, of course. But I don't hate them or their beliefs.

[Huggy Bear]

[Minimalist]

Just speaking for myself, Hugs, I'll take indoor plumbing, antibiotics, central HVAC, cars, and the internet over sleeping in the dirt and having to hunt buffalo every damn day.

Fair enough.

I'll say this though, Native Americans had no need of antibiotics until Europeans showed up.

Antibiotics do nothing against viruses but the point remains.

Indian Chief ‘Two Eagles’ was asked by a white U.S. government official, “you have observed the white man for 90 years.  You’ve seen his wars and his technological advances.  You’ve seen his progress, and the damage he’s done.”
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, “Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?”
The Chief stared at the government official then replied, “When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water.  Women did all the work.  Medicine man free.  Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.”
Then the chief leaned back and smiled, “Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.”

[LostLocke]

I have the option of going back in time?

No. You have the option of "going off the grid". There's still plenty of wilderness, or deserted islands, or unsettled land on Earth.

[John V]

For most people, what they hate is being judged.

By whom exactly?

By anyone. It's not uncommon for atheists to say I don't believe in God, but even if I did, I wouldn't worship him. The reason for that is that God judges people differently than the atheist judges people.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No.  We're as sure as we can be that it was, indeed, 19 Muslims. 15 years later, we're still sure.

So when you write "It wasn't Muslims", and don't even bother to support it, well, you're going to come across as a hatter. 

i didnt support it because i didnt think anyone wanted to start such a discussion.

its just my opinion. based on some good evidence.

Then it isn't premature to dismiss it. After all, I don't have fifteen years' looking at your "supporting evidence". For that matter, I don't even know what your "standards of evidence" are.

its okay to disagree, but theres good evidence to support it.
so calling those who believe it "nutjobs" is uncalled for.

I disagree on both counts. You don't have to like it.

[quote='goombah111' pid='1431582' dateline='1477935436']i could easily support my case and could easily counter argue yours.
if you want to get into it, be my guest. ask me anything.

There's a 9/11 thread around here somewhere. You go and read it first, and if after that you still think you could make salient points replete with "supporting evidence", you put it in there.

Belief in 9/11 being an inside job is so silly that it really is only out done by, well, religious faith.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What has knowledge gotten us exactly, besides more efficient ways to kill each other.

Which is more desirable, to live in accordance with nature as aincient Native Americans once did? Or this modern society? Personally I'd take the former.

Just speaking for myself, Hugs, I'll take indoor plumbing, antibiotics, central HVAC, cars, and the internet over sleeping in the dirt and having to hunt buffalo every damn day.

... not to mention smallpox inoculations ...

[Thumpalumpacus]

I wish you didn't take modern medicine  you'd be dead by now...