To those who believe Bible is not literal...

[Zen Badger]

After much study and thought, I have concluded that God is a metaphor.

.............for human arrogance and stupidity.

[solja247]

First of all where is in the bible said that we should not take its words literal? Or where did you get this authority?

There used to be some song and one of the lines went this, 'I am happy and gay.' This song was sung at church. Does this mean that the people were singing it were all homosexuals? or should we understand the context?

Taking the Bible as litteral, in its entirety, is insane. Read revelations, you surely dont take that as litteral?

Second, Why god sent something that much vague to people? Didn't he knew that people "might" misunderstood him for 2000 years (and counting for some)?

Your point?

Third, why did he send it as figure of speech? We are capable of(and better at) understanding literal commands either. Wouldn't it be more effective? Did god likes mind games?

Meanings change, theology and culture changes...

Fourth, what will happen to people (like me) who would get the wrong message?

John 8:32

Sixth, Is hell illiteral too? What will happen to innocent unbelievers? Are they going to be tortured enternally?

Hell is metaphoric for the destruction of the wicked, unbelievers will get to heaven and I strongly believe it. Its not what you know, but who you know!

[fr0d0]

Frodo!!!!
"Is it fair to couse thousands of death just to tell your words as poems????? Yes or No please!"
Why dont you answer this question isn't it clear enough? C'moon!!!

I'm sorry anna I haven't been checking this thread. I answered one question to let you address that. You don't seem to have done.

"Fairness" is judged by someone who has the knowledge to judge... ie God. As I presume you are not omniscient it would follow that you don't have the information to judge either way, so that question is nullified.

[Edwardo Piet]

"Fairness" is judged by someone who has the knowledge to judge... ie God.

You have no evidence that he actually is fair though, I take it? You just take his word for it. You define him as automatically good from the outset. And you just believe that. Because. Just because. [insert rational reasoning here, please, oh please. Pretty please. Please].

[annatar]

Frodo!!!!
"Is it fair to couse thousands of death just to tell your words as poems????? Yes or No please!"
Why dont you answer this question isn't it clear enough? C'moon!!!

I'm sorry anna I haven't been checking this thread. I answered one question to let you address that. You don't seem to have done.

"Fairness" is judged by someone who has the knowledge to judge... ie God. As I presume you are not omniscient it would follow that you don't have the information to judge either way, so that question is nullified.

So you believe we don't have knowledge to decide if its fair or not and we can't judge his actions..(same as muslims I might add.) But I thought you were sceptical. To be a sceptical you must be able to judge its actions.If you cant then you are not much of a sceptic
You can't even honestly answer my question.. I want your opinion about it. Just tell me is it fair or not? Say YES or NO thats it.. Is it so hard? Just cut "only god knows" crap out.
Just be brave and Say it: IT IS NOT FAIR. Becouse you have better morality than god.(god=the people who wrote that shit.)
By the way I replied your answer in this thread and you either didn't noticed or simply ignored..

[downbeatplumb]

Taking the Bible as litteral, in its entirety, is insane. Read revelations, you surely dont take that as litteral?

But people do take it literally.

They take it as literally true because they have been brainwashed to believe the bible and its in the bible,
Without any sign that it is not litteral so they accept it as true.
These dumb fuckers are all over you tube. (People like the infamous venomfangx).

This is at least partly because the book is so badly written in ambiguous and poetic language that has, (as you admit) some crazy whacko parts in it.

[everythingafter]

Fourth, what will happen to people (like me) who would get the wrong message?

If you are completely innocent you will be judged as such.

The question was on the assumption that she's not innocent because she got the wrong message or doesn't believe or believes the wrong thing. And, if doctrine is true and someone doesn't believe or believes wrongly, there is no exit because of original sin.

[Minimalist]

Taking the Bible as litteral, in its entirety, is insane. Read revelations, you surely dont take that as litteral?

Sol, the whack jobs who take it literally would denounce you as "not a true xtian" for failing to do so.

[fr0d0]

"Fairness" is judged by someone who has the knowledge to judge... ie God.

You have no evidence that he actually is fair though, I take it? You just take his word for it. You define him as automatically good from the outset. And you just believe that. Because. Just because. [insert rational reasoning here, please, oh please. Pretty please. Please].

I make no judgement either way Evie. How can I?

What I do know, is that God is defined as a positive force, so it's pretty rational to suppose he does positive stuff right?

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So you believe we don't have knowledge to decide if its fair or not and we can't judge his actions..(same as muslims I might add.) But I thought you were sceptical. To be a sceptical you must be able to judge its actions. If you cant then you are not much of a sceptic
You can't even honestly answer my question.. I want your opinion about it. Just tell me is it fair or not? Say YES or NO thats it.. Is it so hard? Just cut "only god knows" crap out.
Just be brave and Say it: IT IS NOT FAIR. Becouse you have better morality than god.(god=the people who wrote that shit.)

I'm not much of a skeptic if I ignore facts anna, as you seem to do. Your logic seemingly enables you to conclude stuff without proof. What can I say? You are illogical.

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Fourth, what will happen to people (like me) who would get the wrong message?

If you are completely innocent you will be judged as such.

The question was on the assumption that she's not innocent because she got the wrong message or doesn't believe or believes the wrong thing. And, if doctrine is true and someone doesn't believe or believes wrongly, there is no exit because of original sin.

Well I don't know of anyone completely innocent ev.

[annatar]

I'm not much of a skeptic if I ignore facts anna, as you seem to do. Your logic seemingly enables you to conclude stuff without proof. What can I say? You are illogical.

okay lets talk about facts:
-Christians killed, tortured and burnt people becouse they think bible was literal.
-God Sent or inspired people to write bible illiteral.
-God could simply talk to the whole world. He doesn't even need to "inspire" someone so it wasn't the only way to communicate.
-If you send something that much important, and want people to obey your words it would be a wise thing to send it more clear.
My conclusion: God is a sick bastard who caused thousands of people die just to send something poetic.
Your conclusion: You are illogical.

And yes I am the illogical one.....

"Your logic seemingly enables you to conclude stuff without proof."
You don't need a proof to refute something that is produced without proof.