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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 2:46 pm
(October 29, 2016 at 5:40 pm)abaris Wrote: Just yesterday we had a thread on some American politician making stupid comments. But Günther Oettinger, German Conservative and EU commissioner really let lose in a speech he held at a business forum. Not the first time he did something like that by all accounts. But this time (hopefully) it can cost him his job at the EU.
He called members of a chinese delegation "slit eyes" and refered to gay marriage as becoming a compulsory if things kept moving into the same direction as they do now.
Quote:A video of Günther Oettinger making jokes about Chinese diplomats and "compulsory gay marriage" has sparked controversy. Oettinger, who will take over the EU Commission's budget post, said he had not meant to offend.
http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-oettinger-...a-36199759
As an american suffering the humiliation of a Trump campaign I sure appreciate any such bones as you can throw me. Still I don't know whether to take heart or throw up at the thought that his mentality is even more wide spread.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 3:06 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 2:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote: As an american suffering the humiliation of a Trump campaign I sure appreciate any such bones as you can throw me. Still I don't know whether to take heart or throw up at the thought that his mentality is even more wide spread.
He's not even the worst when it comes to politicians. The usual suspects aren't even worth quoting. That, on the other hand, is an EU commissioner from a mainstream party. That's why I even posted it. The ones bawling like Trump and gaining votes exclusively on resentments, aren't even worth mentioning.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 4:16 pm
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(November 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: The term 'Slit or slant eye' is not in of itself racist.
Um, yes it is. It's a derogatory term for Asians based upon a physical characteristic which they have no control over. I don't think you can make "slit eye" or "slant eye" not racist in any context.
Quote:In like wise fashion saying that gay marriage is becoming compulsory is not an anti gay statement.
No, it's just a very stupid, false statement which just happens to be made by those who are anti-gay.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 5:11 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, yes it is. It's a derogatory term for Asians based upon a physical characteristic which they have no control over. I don't think you can make "slit eye" or "slant eye" not racist in any context.
It's the strongest anti asian word you can find in the German language. I guess it's even stronger than the english translation. I wouldn't know of anything more racist to say about asians (in my language) than that, even if I wanted to. And believe me, keeping up with swear words always was one of my hobbies.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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About the only word more racist toward Asians than "slant-eye" is "gook." Which I'm sure Drich will have some explanation as to why that word isn't racist either.
And seriously, there is not one place anywhere in the world to my knowledge where anyone is forced to marry someone of the same sex.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 5:51 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: About the only word more racist toward Asians than "slant-eye" is "gook."
Yeah, well, we don't have that one in German. Slit or Slant eye however is of the same quality as Nigger in english.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 6:05 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: positively describing or negatively describing a physical charastic does not make one a bigot. What makes a person a bigot is taking the position that they are better because they have or lack a racial attribute that another race does not.
The term 'Slit or slant eye' is not in of itself racist. It is the context in which that description is used that makes it a racist comment or not.
In like wise fashion saying that gay marriage is becoming compulsory is not an anti gay statement. It simply on the surface describes a societal shift toward gay marriage.
You guys who wear your feelings on your sleeves and look for key words to pigeon hole people and label them XYZ if the say 123 is the epitome of intolerance you d-bag pretend to be against.
Can't you see you are becoming the monsters you pretend to hate? If someone doesn't conform to your world view they are hated and reviled. If someone apposes or just on the surface says something concerning a key word you been trained to hate, you unleash the hell you falsely want to protect others from...
This great hypocrisy is what will define this generation.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 6:59 pm
Quote:Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
No.
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 2, 2016 at 11:08 pm
(November 2, 2016 at 5:51 pm)abaris Wrote: (November 2, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: About the only word more racist toward Asians than "slant-eye" is "gook."
Yeah, well, we don't have that one in German. Slit or Slant eye however is of the same quality as Nigger in english.
"Gook" is on par with "nigger" in English. Likely from the same type of origin, too. Where "nigger" is a bastardization of the word "negro," "gook" may be a bastardization of a Korean word, as per Wikipedia's explanation of a couple of possible origins for the word:
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- That when American servicemen heard the term during the Korean war, they heard the word as 'gook" instead of k(g)uk which means "national" (maybe, thus, interpreted as nationalist) goo-goo (also gugu), a term used by the US military to describe Filipinos.[4]
- That "gook" comes from the Korean word "국" (guk), meaning "country",[7] "한국" (hanguk), meaning "Korea", or "미국" (miguk), meaning "America".[8] For example, American soldiers might have heard locals saying miguk, referring to Americans, and misinterpreted this as "Me gook."[9] It should be noted that "Mỹ Quốc"[10] is an archaism in Vietnamese that died out due to a language shift, starting from just before the Indochina Wars and culminating with the end of that period often referred to as the Vietnam War, which has the same root and similar pronunciation to Korean "미국" (miguk) both stemming from Chinese characters "美國"(Měiguó) also meaning "America."
Both equally racist; both equally offensive. So is "slant-eye."
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RE: Wanna see racism and anti gay bigotry combined?
November 3, 2016 at 4:31 am
(November 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: The term 'Slit or slant eye' is not in of itself racist. It is the context in which that description is used that makes it a racist comment or not.
Nonsense. Reducing people to one physical characteristic is a means of dehumanizing them.
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