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Your thoughts on the protests
#71
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They may not love trump, but theyre still racist bigots.  There's just no escaping that after having voted -for- a man who promised to do racist, bigoted things.  They were okay with trading that for whatever they wanted, and guess what, that's pretty damned racist and bigoted.

Typical left-wing hysterics. If you don't agree with socialist tyranny they call you a racist. If you defend personal responsibility and believe in expanding opportunities for all, they say you're just blind to your own racism.
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#72
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 12:05 am)Aroura Wrote: So, there are a lot of protests going on. Some of the less reputable news agencies are calling them riots, claiming they are burning cars and breaking windows, but I see no video evidence of that.  Major news, even Fox, just reports peaceful protests which do include burning effigies and also the flag, marching and chanting.
I'm glad it is staying peacful.


Are you in a blue state that is declaring him "Not my President"?

With all the calls for reconciliation, from Hillary, from Obama, etc, are they disrespecting our great nation, or standing up for it?

vigils and protests

I think the protests are kind of ridiculous, even if peaceful.  Yes, I understand they're practicing their First Amendment rights to voice their displeasure (while we still can), but in the end any such protests are completely useless.  The people have voted and while it didn't go the way most of us wanted, we have to stand by the electoral process or else throw the entire Constitution into the trash.

And frankly, if you're that displeased with the vote, then you should have voted and, assuming you did vote, you should have persuaded more people to vote for your candidate.  And even if that wouldn't have worked, always remember there are mid-terms coming up in two years and another presidential election two years after that.  If Trump turns out to be as terrible a president as everyone thinks he might be, then thankfully our Democratic process allows us to voice our displeasure with the government by changing it.
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#73
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 5:10 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Typical left-wing hysterics. If you don't agree with socialist tyranny they call you a racist. If you defend personal responsibility and believe in expanding opportunities for all, they say you're just blind to your own racism.

So, diatribe over?

Good.

So let's discuss specifics. Would you vote for a candidate who openly hates on certain demographics? Who wants them removed from society? Would you be able to overlook something like that because you subscribe to some other thing he claims to do?

Clear answer if you please. Maybe with a little bit of explanation why you still would be able to look into a mirror afterwards.
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#74
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Saying everyone who voted for Trump is a racist bigot is just stupid. My dad voted for Trump. As a Hispanic man, I can tell you he's not racist, and he certainly isn't a bigot. My mom, on the other hand, voted Hillary. 

Well, I'm sorry to have to be the person who informs you of this...but your dad's a racist....take heart...most of our dads are racist - and being hispanic isn't some sort of vaccine or immunity.  To be blunt, the hispanic community is -notorious- for it's racism.

Quote:Neither one of my parents was the least bit happy with the candidate they voted for, but they voted on who they saw as the lesser evil of 2 very very bad choices.
The lesser of two evils, for your father, was open racism and bigotry.  

Quote:Neither one of them is anything other than a decent human being trying to do the right thing when they feel backed into a corner. Calling either of them nasty, accusatory things will only alienate them from the opposite side.
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I don;t doubt that your father -is- a decent human being......so's mine....still a racist, so's my wifes...still a bigot.  


(November 10, 2016 at 5:10 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Typical left-wing hyste to erics. If you don't agree with socialist tyranny they call you a racist. If you defend personal responsibility and believe in expanding opportunities for all, they say you're just blind to your own racism.
Actually, I call anyone who puts in a vote for racism and bigotry a racist bigot.  I;m not a big fan of socialist tyranny either, but it's not as if we were toiling under any of that, or that was on the table to be voted for. Both Obama and Hillary are center right.  I think that people should be free to be racists and bigots out in the open. There;s no need for them, or you...to hide who you are with me...I accept you for what you all are, lol. Hell, at least you're american racists and bigots. "They" say alot of silly things, but that doesn't mean that everything they say about you, and them...is wrong.
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#75
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But my point is, these people aren't racist bigots who love Trump. They're not the KKK. They're not racist. They begrudgingly voted for him because they saw him as a better alternative to Hillary and to the liberal ideology.

Is he?  Trump's not a dyed-in-the-wool Republican.  At best, he's an opportunist.

I think what surprised me most was that the 2005 audio of him did not seem to hurt his standing among Christians.  And it's not the crass "grab them by the pussy" comment that stood out the most, as stupid as it was.  During that discussion, he is almost giddy at the notion that his fame and fortune allow him to do those crass and disgusting things without any risk.  So here we have a man who loves the idea of how money and fame give him carte blanche to act as immoral and sick as he wants, and he was just elected to the most powerful political office on the planet.

He also got that support from all of those God-fearing Americans after explaining how he desperately sought to have sex with a married woman.  Not an affair, mind you.  He wasn't interested in a relationship.  In his own words, he "did try and fuck her.  She was married."  His excuses ranged from calling it 'locker room talk' to trying to compare himself favorably to Bill Clinton.  Who knew that would work as a strategy?  Does any of that really sit well with his voters?

He thinks vaccines cause autism.  He thinks that global warming is a hoax.  Now, most conservatives might be with him on that one, but he thinks it's a hoax PERPETRATED BY THE CHINESE.  He thinks that you can bring jobs back to America by slapping massive tariffs on imports.  He has a short temper and a paper-thin mental filter which means that his feet have a reflective urge to dive into his mouth... and he's going to be dealing with foreign leaders who are going to provoke him at every turn.  You think he looks orange now?  Wait until his first trip around the globe.

Hey, if you're religious and conservative, I would expect that there are quite a lot of GOP members that you would consider a better alternative to Hillary and the liberal ideology.  I find it hard to believe that you can justify a vote for Trump that way.
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#76
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm)Tonus Wrote: Is he?  Trump's not a dyed-in-the-wool Republican.  At best, he's an opportunist.

Totally irrelevant. He ran on a ticket of hatred, exclusion and resentments against certain demographics and women. That's what we all heard, and saw. I can't imagine any circumstances to vote for someone like that. It's unimaginable if you aren't at least comfortable with what was always at the forefront of his campaign.
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#77
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
The idea that Trump is somehow an anti-liberal candidate is ridiculous on the face of it.  He plans to tax the living shit out of the poor to subsidize the mooching rich's lifestyles. If "conservatives" don;t have a problem with that they never -had- a problem with it..they just didn't like who they thought the beneficiaries were, and never realized that it was "them" in the first place.

A bunch of welfare queens just voted Trump. Congratulations, morons. No one needed the services he plans to gut more than you do, and no one took advantage of them more than you did...either.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#78
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 5:14 pm)abaris Wrote: So let's discuss specifics. Would you vote for a candidate who openly hates on certain demographics? Who wants them removed from society?

No I would not. Nor did I.

It is not racist for a sovereign nation to physically secure its borders.
It is not racist to escort foreign nationals who enter a country illegally back to the countries of which they are citizens.
It is not racist to deny foreign nationals social services available to native or naturalized citizens.
It is not racist to exclude foreign nationals from participating in the political affairs of their host nation.
It is not racist to restrict immigration to skilled and talented applicants who can positively contribute to society.
It is not racist to limit the number of legal immigrants to that which can be reasonably assimilated.
It is not racist to stop people ideologically opposed to a country's principles of governance from entering that country.
It is not racist to deport foreign nationals that have committed crime back to the countries of which they are citizens.

Maybe you can be specific about the policies that you feel are racist.
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#79
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 10, 2016 at 5:14 pm)abaris Wrote: So let's discuss specifics. Would you vote for a candidate who openly hates on certain demographics? Who wants them removed from society?

No I would not. Nor did I.

It is not racist for a sovereign nation to physically secure its borders.
It is not racist to escort foreign nationals who enter a country illegally back to the countries of which they are citizens.
It is not racist to deny foreign nationals social services available to native or naturalized citizens.
It is not racist to exclude foreign nationals from participating in the political affairs of their host nation.
It is not racist to restrict immigration to skilled and talented applicant who can positively contribute to society.
It is not racist to limit the number of legal immigrants to that which can be reasonably assimilated.
It is not racist to stop people ideologically opposed to a country's principles of governance from entering that country.
It is not racist to deport foreign nationals that have committed crime back to the countries of which they are citizens.

No, sorry, but there is implicit racism in advocating for at least some of what's on the list.
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#80
RE: Your thoughts on the protests
(November 10, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: No I would not. Nor did I.

It is not racist for a sovereign nation to physically secure its borders.
It is not racist to escort foreign nationals who enter a country illegally back to the countries of which they are citizens.
It is not racist to deny foreign nationals social services available to native or naturalized citizens.
It is not racist to exclude foreign nationals from participating in the political affairs of their host nation.
It is not racist to restrict immigration to skilled and talented applicant who can positively contribute to society.
It is not racist to limit the number of legal immigrants to that which can be reasonably assimilated.
It is not racist to stop people ideologically opposed to a country's principles of governance from entering that country.
It is not racist to deport foreign nationals that have committed crime back to the countries of which they are citizens.

So, I simply go out on a limb and assume you know the exact terminology he used to make all of the above claims. Don't play stupid. You're only fooling yourself since nobody else will be fooled by that pathetic attempt of yours.
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