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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 1:41 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dona...60bf777e83
(December 22, 2016 at 12:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (December 22, 2016 at 12:12 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Trump is racist because he made racist inflammatory speeches, he was a leading light in the "birther" movement which was racist.
He attracts racists because he is obviously racist.
As for his issues.
What Trump says one day he contradicts the next unless it plays well, then he ignores it later.
He is a compulsive liar whose every word should not be believed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDiazdqMLIY
There have been birther movements against other people who weren't black also, Ted Cruz for example. I've always thought of birtherism as a stupid conspiracy theory but to call it racist seems far fetched. Of course even legitimate criticism of Obama gets called racist. Also being anti-immigrant isn't racist. I wonder how many white Americans realize that 'Mexican' isn't a race but a nationality. "Send the niggers back to Africa" is a racist speech. Trumps speech that most often gets called racist is the one people claim he called all Mexican's racist. Here is the text of that part: "When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," Meh. I mean I have problems with that speech in that it's ignorant and conspiracy minded. The Mexican government isn't sending anybody, people are coming on their own. While maybe you could interpret that as racist, I don't think you could call it 'obviously racist.' Maybe you have a better example?
I think the constant racism talk was what cost Hillary the election. You say that what he said in that speech and probably some others is obviously racist. Well there are a lot of people (just need to note that I'm not one of them, before that accusation gets thrown out there) who agree with him. When he says stuff like the inner cities are a mess and full of crime, there are a lot of people who agree with him. When Trump gets called a racist for saying various stuff that's fairly commonly believed in the US, the Hillary campaign called millions of people racist too. Guess what, people don't like getting called racist and it pissed them off enough to come out in droves and vote against Hillary. That's my theory anyway. Quote:In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career
Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.
The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.
“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”
Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.
“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dona...60bf777e83
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 1:41 pm
(December 20, 2016 at 8:58 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Insults of Trump/Trump supporters: 4
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Quote:. Guess what, people don't like getting called racist and it pissed them off enough to come out in droves and vote against Hillary. That's my theory anyway.
What they like doesn't matter
oh yeah the bigots would have swarmed to Hilary if only he had not called bigots bigots
in other news the clan will stop hating black people if we give them a huge
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 1:50 pm
(December 22, 2016 at 12:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (December 22, 2016 at 12:12 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Trump is racist because he made racist inflammatory speeches, he was a leading light in the "birther" movement which was racist.
He attracts racists because he is obviously racist.
As for his issues.
What Trump says one day he contradicts the next unless it plays well, then he ignores it later.
He is a compulsive liar whose every word should not be believed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDiazdqMLIY
There have been birther movements against other people who weren't black also, Ted Cruz for example. I've always thought of birtherism as a stupid conspiracy theory but to call it racist seems far fetched. Of course even legitimate criticism of Obama gets called racist. Also being anti-immigrant isn't racist. I wonder how many white Americans realize that 'Mexican' isn't a race but a nationality. "Send the niggers back to Africa" is a racist speech. Trumps speech that most often gets called racist is the one people claim he called all Mexican's racist. Here is the text of that part: "When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," Meh. I mean I have problems with that speech in that it's ignorant and conspiracy minded. The Mexican government isn't sending anybody, people are coming on their own. While maybe you could interpret that as racist, I don't think you could call it 'obviously racist.' Maybe you have a better example?
I think the constant racism talk was what cost Hillary the election. You say that what he said in that speech and probably some others is obviously racist. Well there are a lot of people (just need to note that I'm not one of them, before that accusation gets thrown out there) who agree with him. When he says stuff like the inner cities are a mess and full of crime, there are a lot of people who agree with him. When Trump gets called a racist for saying various stuff that's fairly commonly believed in the US, the Hillary campaign called millions of people racist too. Guess what, people don't like getting called racist and it pissed them off enough to come out in droves and vote against Hillary. That's my theory anyway.
I think the racist name calling was part of why she lost. If the dems continue with this tactic it's going to cost them another election 2 / 4 years from now. But what I think mainly cost them the election, (and no, not the Russians), is that they lost the biggest part of their base, the white blue collar working class males in the rust belt and coal states. These guys traditionally voted democrat for years. They elected Obama to office, twice. You can't alienate your largest base and win elections. You can't shut their jobs down and think you're going to continue to get their vote...and you can't continue to malign and demonize them as racists and think you're going to retake both Houses of Congress and the Presidency.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 2:01 pm
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(December 22, 2016 at 1:41 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dona...60bf777e83
(December 22, 2016 at 12:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: There have been birther movements against other people who weren't black also, Ted Cruz for example. I've always thought of birtherism as a stupid conspiracy theory but to call it racist seems far fetched. Of course even legitimate criticism of Obama gets called racist. Also being anti-immigrant isn't racist. I wonder how many white Americans realize that 'Mexican' isn't a race but a nationality. "Send the niggers back to Africa" is a racist speech. Trumps speech that most often gets called racist is the one people claim he called all Mexican's racist. Here is the text of that part: "When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," Meh. I mean I have problems with that speech in that it's ignorant and conspiracy minded. The Mexican government isn't sending anybody, people are coming on their own. While maybe you could interpret that as racist, I don't think you could call it 'obviously racist.' Maybe you have a better example?
I think the constant racism talk was what cost Hillary the election. You say that what he said in that speech and probably some others is obviously racist. Well there are a lot of people (just need to note that I'm not one of them, before that accusation gets thrown out there) who agree with him. When he says stuff like the inner cities are a mess and full of crime, there are a lot of people who agree with him. When Trump gets called a racist for saying various stuff that's fairly commonly believed in the US, the Hillary campaign called millions of people racist too. Guess what, people don't like getting called racist and it pissed them off enough to come out in droves and vote against Hillary. That's my theory anyway. Quote:In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career
Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.
The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.
“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”
Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.
“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dona...60bf777e83
I mean the only things that article that I would say are 'obviously racist' are hearsay from 20 year old memories. Do you really put stock in a decades old quote that is just from somebodies memory? Of course not. I mean by the standard that Trump is held to, Hillary Clinton could be called racist too. So could most people who have said anything about race in public. Black youth being super criminals and all. I mean I think Trump has some racial biases, I wouldn't be surprised if he were a soft racist, but most of the things that there is good proof he said fall somewhere in mainstream thought. Also Huffington post is basically the left-wing Brietbart, read it because it's good to read everything, but I'd check some source material if I were you.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 22, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Quote:Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism.
Quote:A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks.
Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinio....html?_r=0
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 11:58 am
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Not exactly the behavior you would expect from a "racist", is it?
All these false accusations of racism only highlight how hated-filled and spiteful the Left-wing liars are.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:18 pm
So pictures with Blacks automatically exonerates one from over a decade of denying housing to blacks and harassing those who were grandfathered in.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:19 pm
And to NeoScholastics disingenuous head, the Central Park Five never existed...
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:25 pm
Oh... the OP wasn't trying to be ironic?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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