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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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(December 23, 2016 at 11:58 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
Not exactly the behavior you would expect from a "racist", is it?
All these false accusations of racism only highlight how hated-filled and spiteful the Left-wing liars are.
Arabs fought for Hitler despite him believing they were barely human same goes for Indians Hitler not a racist ?
Blacks fought for the confederacy
The founder of stormfront admitted relations with Asian woman
Racists are willing to set aside there racism if it in some benefits them or acheves some higher goal or lower goal
Plus this is the picture version I can't be racist because I have black friends
(December 22, 2016 at 1:50 pm)A Theist Wrote: (December 22, 2016 at 12:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: There have been birther movements against other people who weren't black also, Ted Cruz for example. I've always thought of birtherism as a stupid conspiracy theory but to call it racist seems far fetched. Of course even legitimate criticism of Obama gets called racist. Also being anti-immigrant isn't racist. I wonder how many white Americans realize that 'Mexican' isn't a race but a nationality. "Send the niggers back to Africa" is a racist speech. Trumps speech that most often gets called racist is the one people claim he called all Mexican's racist. Here is the text of that part: "When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people," Meh. I mean I have problems with that speech in that it's ignorant and conspiracy minded. The Mexican government isn't sending anybody, people are coming on their own. While maybe you could interpret that as racist, I don't think you could call it 'obviously racist.' Maybe you have a better example?
I think the constant racism talk was what cost Hillary the election. You say that what he said in that speech and probably some others is obviously racist. Well there are a lot of people (just need to note that I'm not one of them, before that accusation gets thrown out there) who agree with him. When he says stuff like the inner cities are a mess and full of crime, there are a lot of people who agree with him. When Trump gets called a racist for saying various stuff that's fairly commonly believed in the US, the Hillary campaign called millions of people racist too. Guess what, people don't like getting called racist and it pissed them off enough to come out in droves and vote against Hillary. That's my theory anyway.
I think the racist name calling was part of why she lost. If the dems continue with this tactic it's going to cost them another election 2 / 4 years from now. But what I think mainly cost them the election, (and no, not the Russians), is that they lost the biggest part of their base, the white blue collar working class males in the rust belt and coal states. These guys traditionally voted democrat for years. They elected Obama to office, twice. You can't alienate your largest base and win elections. You can't shut their jobs down and think you're going to continue to get their vote...and you can't continue to malign and demonize them as racists and think you're going to retake both Houses of Congress and the Presidency.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm
You hypocritical lying assholes. You see a picture of some Klan-fuck holding a sign supporting Trump and say that means Trump is a racist. But then the two most significant civil rights leaders of the last couple decades shake Trump's hand and pat him on the back and your response is to say that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racist collaborators.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 2:55 pm
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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(December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: You hypocritical lying assholes. You see a picture of some Klan-fuck holding a sign supporting Trump and say that means Trump is a racist. But then the two most significant civil rights leaders of the last couple decades shake Trump's hand and pat him on the back and your response is to say that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racist collaborators.
To point one -Well if the Klan Endorse trump there clearly is a reason they Endorse trump and yes the Klan endorsed trump. And no that's far form the only reason. love how you have not even addressed the other evidence the clan photos were just a affirmation in a chain
To point two- you clearly missed my point I never said either Al or Jesse were racist anything. My point was trump has a clear history of setting aside his personal beliefs for personal gain(like befriending the Clintons). Just as many racist are willing to set aside there racism to achieve there goals .Weather Jesse or Al know trumps a racist or not is a non issue. I'm simply pointing out that showing a picture of trump with civil rights leaders only proves he willing to be seen with influential.people despite racist beliefs he may have.
(December 21, 2016 at 11:21 pm)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: (December 21, 2016 at 11:05 pm)Orochi Wrote: should be re titled smart people react to trump
tolerance of evil isn't tolerance it's apathy
just wait till he actually gets into office
I feel like I should be telling you that..
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm
(December 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Orochi Wrote:
(December 22, 2016 at 1:50 pm)A Theist Wrote: I think the racist name calling was part of why she lost. If the dems continue with this tactic it's going to cost them another election 2 / 4 years from now. But what I think mainly cost them the election, (and no, not the Russians), is that they lost the biggest part of their base, the white blue collar working class males in the rust belt and coal states. These guys traditionally voted democrat for years. They elected Obama to office, twice. You can't alienate your largest base and win elections. You can't shut their jobs down and think you're going to continue to get their vote...and you can't continue to malign and demonize them as racists and think you're going to retake both Houses of Congress and the Presidency.
victory while compromising higher principles isn't victory
Evidently, the blue collar working class voters in the rust belt and coal states don't align themselves with your personal views on "higher principles". Your opinions don't pay their bills or put food on their tables. Losing the White House and both Houses of Congress definitely isn't victory. What's to become of your principles now?
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 5:28 pm
(December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: You hypocritical lying assholes. You see a picture of some Klan-fuck holding a sign supporting Trump and say that means Trump is a racist. But then the two most significant civil rights leaders of the last couple decades shake Trump's hand and pat him on the back and your response is to say that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are racist collaborators.
I'm sorry, do you actually think that Trump is not a racist? Because of a picture from 1999? Are you aware that this summer Jesse Jackson called out Trump for his racist rhetoric, saying that he had helped "seed these clouds" of violence?
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 6:16 pm
I mean unless you can read minds - which none of you can - you can't conclusively say Trump is a racist. You may perceive his rhetoric to be racist, but that says more about your perception than the objective reality of what he's saying.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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Well the strict definition of racism is someone who believes one race is superior to another.
I remember watching a documentary interviewing a group of skinheads in prison who said they weren't racist they just don't want to be around black people.
I think a lot of people would extend the definition of racism to be more than just a belief of superiority to preferential treatment of a particular race not necessarily based on superiority.
I don't think that's such an unreasonable extension to the definition, I think it's unreasonable when people say racism is prejudiced plus power therefor you can't be racist against whites.
I don't even know if I'm not a racist based on the original definition.
I believe that if you can quantifiably measure good traits then some races will have different levels of good traits compared to other races.
I believe overall Jewish people have a relatively higher intellect in comparison to other races and that black people are relatively superior at certain athletic sports.
I don't really know what it means though to be just superior overalll. I don't believe any race is superior at everything.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 8:21 pm
Quick question - when a Black man was lynched in the 1950s by a white mob on the hearsay of whistling at a white woman, was it about believing one's race is superior?
When Blacks marched for Civil Rights, was the opposition purely operating on just a belief of racial superiority?
The problem with narrowly adhering to your definition is that it neatly handwaves away the deep emotions and violent actions in a neat little package. It's as shallow as explaining the Khmer Rouge was a case of anti-intellectualism.
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RE: What is it with Trump supporters not wanting to discuss policy without name calling
December 23, 2016 at 8:29 pm
(December 23, 2016 at 2:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: You hypocritical lying assholes.
Since you're so proud of your hero, I can only assume your head being so far up your ass that the lower orifice does the talking and thinking.
David Duke endorsed Trump and the KKK endorsed Trump. If he's not racist, he did a very poor job compiling his message. The KKK obviously liked what he said. David Duke liked what he said. And Trump has chosen Steve Bannon to be one of his closest advisors. I assume you know what Bannon stands for. If not, move your ass and look it up.
Not racist? well keep sugarcoating the turd until you can swallow it, mister Swedenborg. By the way, the whooshing sound you hear is Swedenborg rotating in his grave. If you don't know what he stood for, look it up. Hint, it's not on the samel lines as what Trump sells as values.
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