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Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
#41
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(9th January 2017, 13:39)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(9th January 2017, 11:53)mh.brewer Wrote: I'm gonna have to remember this one. Thanks.

Yes, everything has a subjective interpretation, but you can have a subjective interpretation about something which is objective.  In which case, that interpretation is judged based on how well it matches the objective thing that it represents.  

The point being, that disagreements, do not mean that it is subjective by nature, or that there isn't any truth.   I would think that pointing to disagreements within the theory of evolution, to mean that evolution was false, to be a pretty weak argument.  At best, you can evaluate the different claims based on the evidence, and possibly say that the claim in question isn't as clear as perhaps thought.  But to use it as a argument against the whole, I don't think is very good.

Nice double talk. Pulls the "everything" foot out of his mouth. 

"Everything is subjective" I don't hear from to many christians.
God(s) and religions are man made and the bane of humanity. 

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#42
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(4th January 2017, 22:22)Lek Wrote:
(4th January 2017, 21:08)Rhondazvous Wrote: There's no universe in the bible. The god of the bible created the grass and trees before he created the sun and moon.  Then he hung the sun and moon right here in the Earth's atmosphere (firmament). The biblical writers had not the foggiest notion of a universe.

Okay.  It was focused on the earth.

No.  Not even that, Lek.

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#43
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(9th January 2017, 13:41)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Theism is depressing.

And balls-numbingly boring.

"Gee, Brain, what are we going to do tonight?"

"The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Praise the Lord, of course."

"Oh bollocks."
Emotions are a weakness, used to control you. Remove them.
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#44
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
LOL that would be a truly hilarious parody.

*sings* It's Pinky and the Pain, Pinky and the Pain.

One is a genius and the other's... *stops singing* well, a royal pain in the arse if you ask me.

That's right. In this one Pinky is the genius. Lol.
"Work quickly. And the same applies for doing albums or any project. Just work quickly. You can fix it later if you need to., Work quickly, get it in there and and you know what? Try not to fiddle. If you've got lots of things that you want to do to change it then maybe what you are trying to do is do another project. Don't keep imposing all your fresh ideas on the old work. Do it, finish it, get it done good enough - do it and then: do something else. Don't keep fiddling. I see people get lost regurgitating an album that sounds good! They might play me an album and I say "That's great! Get it out."

Five years later they've regurgitated that same album so much that it's not even the same album anymore and you wonder what went on and what process went on in their heads." - Paul Hartnoll
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#45
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Pinky was always the genius. It was him all along.
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#46
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
No one wants to resurrect the subjectivity crap? Did I successfully debunk it for all time?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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#47
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(9th January 2017, 13:56)mh.brewer Wrote:
(9th January 2017, 13:39)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Yes, everything has a subjective interpretation, but you can have a subjective interpretation about something which is objective.  In which case, that interpretation is judged based on how well it matches the objective thing that it represents.  

The point being, that disagreements, do not mean that it is subjective by nature, or that there isn't any truth.   I would think that pointing to disagreements within the theory of evolution, to mean that evolution was false, to be a pretty weak argument.  At best, you can evaluate the different claims based on the evidence, and possibly say that the claim in question isn't as clear as perhaps thought.  But to use it as a argument against the whole, I don't think is very good.

Nice double talk. Pulls the "everything" foot out of his mouth. 

"Everything is subjective" I don't hear from to many christians.

Are you disagreeing with what I explained or agreeing?  

In the end, even if I mis-spoke, or I'm changing my view; it doesn't matter in the overall picture of the discussion, and the idea. I have no problem agreeing with people, or conceding when they make a good point. I've mentioned points similar to what you are commenting on before in discussions about objective morality.

On the other hand, I could have chosen my words carefully, to encourage discussion or find a common point of agreement.  I could just be seeing how people choose to react.

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#48
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Truth is the one thing that must be 100% absolutely objective.

If you think anything else is objective and you ask if it is truly objective and the answer is "no" then that other thing isn't objective. If it is objective then it's truly objective. Truth in itself doesn't add any additional meaning besides affirming the fact that any particular thing is in fact what it is.

The whole idea of truth being non-objective is absurd.
"Work quickly. And the same applies for doing albums or any project. Just work quickly. You can fix it later if you need to., Work quickly, get it in there and and you know what? Try not to fiddle. If you've got lots of things that you want to do to change it then maybe what you are trying to do is do another project. Don't keep imposing all your fresh ideas on the old work. Do it, finish it, get it done good enough - do it and then: do something else. Don't keep fiddling. I see people get lost regurgitating an album that sounds good! They might play me an album and I say "That's great! Get it out."

Five years later they've regurgitated that same album so much that it's not even the same album anymore and you wonder what went on and what process went on in their heads." - Paul Hartnoll
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