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Moral Acts
#31
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 00:48)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(10th January 2017, 08:37)chimp3 Wrote: Name one moral act that can not be accomplished without religion.

Name one moral principle that atheists didn't adopt from religion.

Every moral principle. All religion is man made.Religion borrowed morality from nature.
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#32
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 01:04)chimp3 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 00:48)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Name one moral principle that atheists didn't adopt from religion.

Every moral principle. All religion is man made.Religion borrowed morality from nature.

Do you think morality is objective then?
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#33
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 01:09)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 01:04)chimp3 Wrote: Every moral principle. All religion is man made.Religion borrowed morality from nature.

Do you think morality is objective then?

No. Not irrational though. We must argue, debate, and come to common agreement about what is moral. Human well being is a good starting point.
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#34
RE: Moral Acts
A morality based upon human wellbeing would be an objective morality.
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#35
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 01:25)Rhythm Wrote: A morality based upon human wellbeing would be an objective morality.
Unless your definition of human well being is subjective.
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#36
RE: Moral Acts
(11th January 2017, 01:25)Rhythm Wrote: A morality based upon human wellbeing would be an objective morality.

Only if you first agree on an objective way of measuring wellbeing. Otherwise, it's a very vague and subjective concept.
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#37
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I guess a ridiculous but anything close to accurately objective way to measure happiness would be to find the average amount of serotonin released in a happy human being's day and if the serotonin released in another person's body in a day is greater than or equal to that then that person could be seen as "objectively" doing well. Hehe
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#38
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Sure, that would be one way. At that point, you could develop a system of objective morality. It's just that the system would be no use to anyone who doesn't agree with it; that is the problem. It's why there is no problem agreeing standard ways of measuring length and so forth, because it's practical to have the same system. To "use your system" would require an authority to enforce it, just like all moral systems. It's not a criticism of your idea, which is actually quite inventive.

And of course, although practical, it's very simplistic and it wouldn't be concerned with how exactly the person ends up in that state. Plugging someone into a "happiness machine" would then be equivalent to, or even better than maintaining a good quality of life for them. This points to the larger problem of how exactly you go about maintaining wellbeing, and not just the wellbeing itself. Morality is fucking complicated.
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#39
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(11th January 2017, 01:25)Rhythm Wrote: A morality based upon human wellbeing would be an objective morality.
It would be simple for Catholic Lady, Rob, and I to sit at a table , have a nice lunch , and agree upon a standard for human well being. Objective, Subjective...what difference does it make/
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#40
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Sure, for things we all agree on, there is no problem. Most of us could probably hammer out most points with agreement.

But suddenly introduce someone from another culture with radically different ideas, and what do you do? Tell them they are wrong? No one has this authority. They would turn around and tell us we're wrong as well. It would be a matter of starting from first principles, and if people don't agree on those, there isn't anything that can be done except to continue to debate. One group announcing they "are right" is just excluding others from the discussion.
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