Does the World Need Religion?

[phoenix31]

I know what you are trying to say, Phoenix and it doesn't hold water.

First off, the pope's holy crusaders murdered thousands and expected to get sent to heaven for it.  But that isn't even the worst part of jesusism.  It has a built in get-out-of-jail-free card wherein all you have to do is say "I'm sorry, pappy jesus" and he forgives any and all crimes.... except apparently blaspheming the fucking holy spirit or some such shit.

I have a scathing disrespect for any fucking religion which insists that Jeffrey Dahmer can be "saved" but Gandhi will burn in hell.

http://www.christianchronicle.org/articl...rey-dahmer

When Dahmer died, I was a staff writer for The Oklahoman. I’ll never forget talking that day with Curt Booth, a member of the Crescent Church of Christ in Oklahoma, about his role in Dahmer’s conversion.
“I know Jeffrey was ready,” Booth told me. “Today, all the angels in heaven are rejoicing because Jeffrey has come home.”
Booth said he had no doubt about the sincerity of Dahmer’s conversion.
“On the great resurrection day, I’m expecting to see him right along there with Abraham, David, Isaac, James, John and all the saints that have lived right up to the modern day,” Booth said.

Assholes.

Fair enough.

[brewer]

Hey P31.

I've been reading through all of you posts in this thread and have a gut feeling so I need to ask you a question.

You religious view says atheist but you sound nothing like an atheist. You claim to be a new/lost atheist. You sound more like a theist that is pretending. Are you a POE? Are you participating here under false pretense?

[phoenix31]

Hey P31.

I've been reading through all of you posts in this thread and have a gut feeling so I need to ask you a question.

You religious view says atheist but you sound nothing like an atheist. You claim to be a new/lost atheist. You sound more like a theist that is pretending. Are you a POE? Are you participating here under false pretense?

Nope, I've just been fed a lot of bullshit over the years and it's a little rough sorting my way out of it.

[phoenix31]

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Who cares?  You're confusing correlation with causation.  If atheism is not responsible for the atrocities, then the fact that they were atheists is irrelevant.  And you are simply wrong.  More atrocities are committed by the religious, simply because there are more religious people.  And of those things, a lot of them are caused by the religion, by the atrocity commiters own admission.

It doesn't make sense to me to say more atrocities are caused by the religious just because there are more religious people than atheists. Lots of religious people don't commit atrocities. I think the only way to compare is to tally the numbers of holy wars and that sort of thing against other atrocities like the ones I previously mentioned, but we've already established that we can't properly do that here, so unless someone else has already accurately done it, there's not a way to know.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's called brute force of demographics Pheonix.

[Sterben]

Our society has progressed to the point to where we do not need religion. My reasons for this are logical to the point to where Mr.Spock would agree with me.

One:Technology progression
Were at a point in human society where language barriers no longer separate the main stream country's. With google translate and other services can allow for virtually fluent communications. At this point we have a merged society that will allow us to live and thrive on the internet. If you look at world of forums like this one and the billions of others, we don't know each others names, color, and often times religious or non-religious back grounds unless we say it to others. We seem to all get a long. If we can apply this style of living to face to face interactions we stand a batter chance of getting along and phasing out religions and putting them in the history books as should of been quite a while ago.
Two: The lack of religion is promoting understanding
If we take a look at through the microscope, non-religious life styles are becoming popular around the world. When your remove the barrier of group associated stereotypes we can begin the process of reducing this in our society. It will never be fully eliminated but, we can try our best to keep it at bay. When unity starts to develop so does the illogical perceptions of such actions. Religions only keep these old ideas alive. The Muslim hating the Jew and the Jew hating the Muslim is a prime example of this.

[Minimalist]

The world needs religion like it needs an infected nutsack.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I see that working together toward a common good with logic and decency for the rules of society could work well for society but I don't know that it would give a reason for personal integrity. I don't know that a majority of people would restrain themselves from behavior which we would consider immoral if they did not think they would get caught. On a small scale, if one can lie and cheat others and get away with it, and it benefits them personally, why not?

If that person can ignore the consequences of a secular society, what makes you think they won't also ignore the consequences of a religion? They seem to be able to get away with it just as well if there is no god. If there is a god, does the religious level of the society suddenly change the difficulty of getting away with it in this life? We've seen just how well people can justify crime while they are religious, as well. It happens all the damn time.

It pretty much comes down to this:

A: No god, secular society; uncaught criminals get away with it
B: No god, religious society; uncaught criminals get away with it
C: God, secular society; uncaught criminals get away with it, but not in next life
D: God, religious society; uncaught criminals get away with it, but not in next life

So how about we focus on ways of fucking catching them now? Religion does not deter people who want to break the law or punish the uncaught until the next life, if there even is one at all.

According to the biblical fairy tale God send out his evil angels to smack people upside the head.  So if one of those people commits what we consider to be an evil act the person could really be doing God's will and God will reward him with good things in the after life. Jesus did say that we shouldn't resist the evil person.  Matthew 5:39

[dyresand]

no not anymore it's holding back scientific progress

[Mr Greene]

It's not a case of either religious restraint or anarchy. Look up 'social contract' for a start.

As for nazis, they were more xtian in their motivations and their actions than many xtians want to admit. You don't find many atheists sporting the slogan "Gott mit uns", for one thing.

You also don't get a lot of atheists gassing Jews because of their role in the murder of jesus...

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  With google translate and other services can allow for virtually fluent communications.