Trump orders wall to be built on Mexico border

[Catholic_Lady]

I genuinely want to hear a reasonable response to my question.

I feel like a lot of conservatives are putting reason aside for the sake of sticking to "their side." A lot of liberals are guilty of the same thing for some of their own issues. Both need to be called out when warranted.

[LadyForCamus]

Oh it will produce a lot of jobs. Some will be wall washers to shine up and polish the gold plating of this glorious wall. Others will be put to work building large catapults and Trebuchets which will be used to fling illegals over the wall into Mexico. I envision a new national holiday called the day of purge where illegals are rounded up and and put on parade floats complete with candy to be thrown to children, with the parade route leading over to the catapults and trebuchets and then flung over the glorious gold plated wall. 

haha just kidding. Seriously it will be good for national and economic security on all levels.

Don't you think ppl will still be able to get in here illegally regardless of the wall though?

Of course they will. Something like 40% of illegal immigrants come into the country via other routes besides land. The whole thing is just so stupid.

[A Theist]

For those who support the wall...

This isn't a liberal vs conservative, Trump vs Anti Trump, anti immigration vs pro immigration thing. Just answer objectively with no biases for any particular "side" you feel you need to be on:

Do you really think spending all this money building this wall is a good, effective idea, all things considered?

The wall is part of a layered plan to secure our borders along Mexico. In addition to the wall 5000 more border patrol agents will be hired plus new surveillance and other equipment. Although it's the central focus, there's more to securing our borders than just that.

[scoobysnack]

I genuinely want to hear a reasonable response to my question.

I feel like a lot of conservatives are putting reason aside for the sake of sticking to "their side." A lot of liberals are guilty of the same thing for some of their own issues. Both need to be called out when warranted.

Not only are the new barriers longer than in the past, but many are built along peaceful borders. The significant characteristic that most of these borders share is that they mark a sharp wealth discontinuity.5 For example, the average annual per capita GDP (in 2010 U.S. dollars) of the countries that have built barriers since the fall of the Berlin Wall is $14,067; the average for the countries on the other side of these barriers is $2,801. The U.S. barrier on the Mexican border fits this pattern. Although the Canadian border is longer and certainly more porous (the Border Patrol estimated in 2009 that it had effective control over less than 1% of the Canadian border versus 35% of the Mexican border), the debates about fencing the border focused only on Mexico.6 The United States’ per capita GDP in 2010 was $47,000, Canada’s was $39,000, and Mexico’s was $14,000.

The final internal factor that plays a role in the decision to build a fence or wall on a political border is the fear that population movements will irreversibly change the way of life inside the state. In the United States, concerns about the threat that immigrant values pose are as old as the country itself. At different points in history, the Irish, the Chinese, and the Italians were all described as posing a grave threat to a particular version of what it meant to be an “American.” Today, these debates revolve around both Muslims and Latino immigrants who, anti-immigrant activists argue, bring alternative social codes and do not assimilate into the mainstream of U.S. society. The fence on the border symbolizes the hardened and fixed borderline that marks a clear distinction between the territories where particular people belong.

The construction of a barrier on the border simultaneously legitimates and intensifies the internal exclusionary practices of the sovereign state. It legitimates exclusion by providing a material manifestation of the abstract idea of sovereignty, which brings the claim of territorial difference into being. The barrier also intensifies these exclusionary practices, because once the boundary is marked and “the container” of the state takes form, the perception of the difference between the two places becomes stronger. This process is evident in new restrictive immigration laws at the state level in Alabama and Arizona as well as in the protests and vandalism directed toward proposed Islamic cultural centers in New York and Tennessee. By demonstrating sovereign control, the state simultaneously reifies authority over that territory and defines the limits of the people that belong there. These perceived differences then fuel more passionate feelings of belonging to the in-group and distinction from the other on the outside.

The U.S. fence on the Mexican border should be understood both in terms of the enhanced enforcement capabilities of the government and in the assertion of where the state has authority and who should be allowed in the state’s territory. The United States built the barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border to define its sovereign authority over its territory, to protect the economic privileges of its population, and to protect a particular way of life from other people who are perceived to have different value systems. Rather than a barrier against terrorism and cartel violence, it is a performance of the United States’ territory and boundaries.

https://nacla.org/article/why-build-border-wall

[abaris]

Does anyone know how you say "Fuck off, you Whiny Little Bitch" in Spanish?

Comes pretty close: ¿Por qué no te callas?

[Aroura]

[Minimalist]

You do realize that the US taxpayers give Mexico just shy of a $Billion a year in foreign aid.  All the US has to do is simply keep that money and apply it to the wall's cost.  So in any case the US taxpayer will pay for the wall but by cutting off foreign aid we'll cut out the middleman.  

Now if people still get in we'll just have to build some concentration camps.  We have a lot of experience in doing that.  Heck, we might even have to build some ovens.

Admit it, you just pulled that number out of your ass, right?

https://www.reference.com/government-pol...7e5dd87a09

In 2013, the United States gave Mexico $51.5 million in foreign aid.

As of September 2014, the data shows disbursements from the United States to Mexico totaling $15.4 million

The WLB would have to build his "wall" out of papier mache.

[The Grand Nudger]

What a deliciously racist explanation Scoobs.  Thank you. Did you do that on purpose or by accident? Perhaps...by googling "why build the border wall"....?

[Amarok]

I genuinely want to hear a reasonable response to my question.

I feel like a lot of conservatives are putting reason aside for the sake of sticking to "their side." A lot of liberals are guilty of the same thing for some of their own issues. Both need to be called out when warranted.

Not only are the new barriers longer than in the past, but many are built along peaceful borders. The significant characteristic that most of these borders share is that they mark a sharp wealth discontinuity.5 For example, the average annual per capita GDP (in 2010 U.S. dollars) of the countries that have built barriers since the fall of the Berlin Wall is $14,067; the average for the countries on the other side of these barriers is $2,801. The U.S. barrier on the Mexican border fits this pattern. Although the Canadian border is longer and certainly more porous (the Border Patrol estimated in 2009 that it had effective control over less than 1% of the Canadian border versus 35% of the Mexican border), the debates about fencing the border focused only on Mexico.6 The United States’ per capita GDP in 2010 was $47,000, Canada’s was $39,000, and Mexico’s was $14,000.

The final internal factor that plays a role in the decision to build a fence or wall on a political border is the fear that population movements will irreversibly change the way of life inside the state. In the United States, concerns about the threat that immigrant values pose are as old as the country itself. At different points in history, the Irish, the Chinese, and the Italians were all described as posing a grave threat to a particular version of what it meant to be an “American.” Today, these debates revolve around both Muslims and Latino immigrants who, anti-immigrant activists argue, bring alternative social codes and do not assimilate into the mainstream of U.S. society. The fence on the border symbolizes the hardened and fixed borderline that marks a clear distinction between the territories where particular people belong.

The construction of a barrier on the border simultaneously legitimates and intensifies the internal exclusionary practices of the sovereign state. It legitimates exclusion by providing a material manifestation of the abstract idea of sovereignty, which brings the claim of territorial difference into being. The barrier also intensifies these exclusionary practices, because once the boundary is marked and “the container” of the state takes form, the perception of the difference between the two places becomes stronger. This process is evident in new restrictive immigration laws at the state level in Alabama and Arizona as well as in the protests and vandalism directed toward proposed Islamic cultural centers in New York and Tennessee. By demonstrating sovereign control, the state simultaneously reifies authority over that territory and defines the limits of the people that belong there. These perceived differences then fuel more passionate feelings of belonging to the in-group and distinction from the other on the outside.

The U.S. fence on the Mexican border should be understood both in terms of the enhanced enforcement capabilities of the government and in the assertion of where the state has authority and who should be allowed in the state’s territory. The United States built the barrier on the U.S.-Mexico border to define its sovereign authority over its territory, to protect the economic privileges of its population, and to protect a particular way of life from other people who are perceived to have different value systems. Rather than a barrier against terrorism and cartel violence, it is a performance of the United States’ territory and boundaries.

https://nacla.org/article/why-build-border-wall

Yup pretty words that will amount to nothing

[Edwardo Piet]

Okay so Trump actually orders the wall to be built.

I already knew Trump was a retard though.