Depends on how the perceived right is regulated. And I don't care what you call them. If they are conditional then they are not what I would consider a right.
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Quick question on gun confiscation.
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RE: Quick question on gun confiscation.
February 8, 2017 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2017 at 7:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Glad we cleared that up, it's an issue of what you would call it.
Out of curiosity.....what rights -do- you think you have? Any?
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 (February 8, 2017 at 7:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Depends on how the perceived right is regulated. And I don't care what you call them. If they are conditional then they are not what I would consider a right. I think we should base society on the Fallout Model, personally. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"  (February 8, 2017 at 7:03 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Glad we cleared that up, it's an issue of what you would call it. From the sounds of things not very many.
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 (February 8, 2017 at 6:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(February 8, 2017 at 6:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Read wiki. Sounds to me like the courts have ruled that there are qualifying conditions. You've read Midnight at the Well of Souls? 
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Previous username: GUBU God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers!  Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (February 8, 2017 at 6:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Two centuries of constitutional law disagree. There is no requirement, for a right, that there be no qualifications. It would be ludicrous to even conceptualize them in such a way. Does the qualification that constitutional rights apply only to human beings (and not to all human beings) make them all...suddenly, privileges? Two decades more like. Until the likes of Scalia and Thomas started thinking they knew better how to interpret the constitution's words than tge people who wrote it, court rulings invariably fell on the side of state and goverment actors when laws limiting gun ownership and usage were challenged. If I remember correctly it was only in 2008 that the supreme court, through Scalia, said it was a right and not a privilege, pretty much overturning 100 years of jurisprudence.
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February 12, 2017 at 11:59 am
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We've -always- had laws limiting and regulating gun ownership. We didn't start trying to write them two decades ago, and we didn't start opposing gun ownership regulations two decades ago, either. Similarly, neither the second amendment nor the fifth, nor the ninth were written in '08.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (February 8, 2017 at 7:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Depends on how the perceived right is regulated. And I don't care what you call them. If they are conditional then they are not what I would consider a right. You seem to not be taking into consideration that rights are not absolute. That is, there are restrictions on fundamental rights and those have always existed. For example, free speech is not unlimited; First Amendment freedoms are subject to different kinds of judicial scrutiny based on the kind of speech, what is said, where it's said, by who, and under what circumstances; it can get pretty complicated. It's the same with guns. The Second Amendment, at this point, guarantees that we can have firearms, but there's a reasonable limit on that (e.g. no flamethrowers or cannons for civilians). Here in California, we have some odd restrictions on legal firearms, like 10 round clips for semi-autos and these fucking mechanisms that make you have to use a tool to eject a magazine, all in the naive hope that it'll allow a potential maniac to do less damage. That said, it's not unconstitutional because it's not an unreasonable restriction. It doesn't deny my right to own a semi-automatic rifle and it doesn't restrict my right to legally operate it in the proper place. Besides, emptying a thirty round clip as fast as you can pull the trigger is an exercise in poor accuracy anyway, which indicates that a minor annoyance doesn't constitute the denial of a constitutional protection. RE: Quick question on gun confiscation.
February 12, 2017 at 1:42 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2017 at 1:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I've always wondered why people spent so much political capital on magazine restrictions. Regardless of our position on the issue, I think we all realize that there's only -so- much gun regulation that anyone is going to be able to squeeze through in our current political and social climate - even in response to a tragedy.
Why, then, waste that on legislation that can be (and routinely is) defeated by a roll of tape? Was there nothing else that it could have been spent on that might help to alleviate or eliminate the problem it seeks to address? (my '70's sears model .22lr is illegal but grandfathered in cali, 15 round tube, lol)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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