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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm
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(March 9, 2017 at 2:59 pm)KUSA Wrote: (March 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Very weak stance on your part. Science works because the world is intelligible and human reason is generally reliable. Both depend on an uncontingent transcendent source. In contrast to this you have what? Brute assertions.
A theist accusing an Atheist of brute assertions? How laughable.
Theist: If not for God, why is there something rather than nothing?
Atheist: There just is.
Theist:If not for God, why do causes produce regular effects?
Atheist: They just do.
Theist: If not for God, why does the universe have a rational order?
Atheist: It just does.
Theist: If not for God, how can abstract mathematics consistently describe does the concrete physical universe?
Atheist: Because it does.
Etc...etc...etc...
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 1:51 pm
When you've finished playing with your straw atheist, could you sweep up the mess? We might get mice.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 1:58 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: When you've finished playing with your straw atheist, could you sweep up the mess? We might get mice.
If the shoe fits wear it. Otherwise, just ignore it. I didn't specify any particular type of theist either. You didn't seem to object to that.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:08 pm
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That's the whole point. You're invoking a position that may or may not be expressed by individual atheists, and trying to expand that as though it represents atheism. It's pure Dolphinetics.
And yes, I would hold the same opinion regarding theists/theism. Why do you want to make me out to be unreasonable? What is it with some around here and a need to be nasty all the time? I've tried to be polite with you all along the line.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (March 9, 2017 at 2:59 pm)KUSA Wrote: A theist accusing an Atheist of brute assertions? How laughable.
Theist: If not for God, why is there something rather than nothing?
Atheist: There just is.
Theist:If not for God, why do causes produce regular effects?
Atheist: They just do.
Theist: If not for God, why does the universe have a rational order?
Atheist: It just does.
Theist: If not for God, how can abstract mathematics consistently describe does the concrete physical universe?
Atheist: Because it does.
Etc...etc...etc...
How about you prove that a god is required for any of those things.
No argument from ignorance allowed. (because that's a fallacious argument, you know...)
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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(March 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (March 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Theist: If not for God, why is there something rather than nothing?
Atheist: There just is.
Theist:If not for God, why do causes produce regular effects?
Atheist: They just do.
Theist: If not for God, why does the universe have a rational order?
Atheist: It just does.
Theist: If not for God, how can abstract mathematics consistently describe does the concrete physical universe?
Atheist: Because it does.
Etc...etc...etc...
How about you prove that a god is required for any of those things.
No argument from ignorance allowed. (because that's a fallacious argument, you know...)
I have done so in so many places that I have grown weary of it. Besides there is a difference between proving with absolute certainty (especially, with people who deny to there are absolutes) and the best explanation. If you're going to say that God is not the best explanation then it is reasonable for me to ask with what are you making comparison?
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:29 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (March 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Theist: If not for God, why is there something rather than nothing?
Atheist: There just is.
Theist:If not for God, why do causes produce regular effects?
Atheist: They just do.
Theist: If not for God, why does the universe have a rational order?
Atheist: It just does.
Theist: If not for God, how can abstract mathematics consistently describe does the concrete physical universe?
Atheist: Because it does.
Etc...etc...etc...
How about you prove that a god is required for any of those things.
No argument from ignorance allowed. (because that's a fallacious argument, you know...)
A rational explanation that ties a lot of things together in a cohesive manner does not demand to be a requirement. Science, that many here often reference, is based on assumptions, parameters, accepting some level of unknowns.
Neo-Schlolastic is proposing a position for theism, its plausibility, how theism answers some important philosophical questions, as compared to an atheistic response.
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm
Once upon a time, the luminiferous aether was a plausible, rational explanation that tied things together in a cohesive manner. It also turned out under scrutiny not to exist and to be unnecessary to reality.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 2:53 pm
(March 4, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (February 27, 2017 at 7:10 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: FSM. The only true god.
It should have been obvious.
Ceiling Cat would like a word.
He would indeed.
Because the truth is:
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RE: Debate: God Exists
March 10, 2017 at 3:04 pm
(March 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Once upon a time, the luminiferous aether was a plausible, rational explanation that tied things together in a cohesive manner. It also turned out under scrutiny not to exist and to be unnecessary to reality.
Today they call it quantum foam :-)
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