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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 7:52 am
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(February 24, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You said the right to comment. He can't prohibit that. He can limit access to himself and his spokesmen.
Which would be illigal here. The head of government can be picky choosy which journalist he's talking to in person, but his spokesmen haven't got that privilege. Even more so if it's an official press briefing. Spokesmen are accountable to the press and by extension the public.
I also ask myself what people defending this would have said if Obama had done the same. It's an exercise in futility, since I don't expect them to be honest enough to admit to their partisan outrage. But given what tantrums they've thrown over a fly farting inside the Obama administration, I have a pretty good idea what the reaction would have been.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 11:37 am
What's with the surprise expressed here?
He's doing what he said he was going to do. Well, he's implementing what he said he was going to do, just in a different way. Since he's discovered he can't sue networks like CNN into silence, he's going to rail against them and deny them access in an attempt to delegitimize them. And with respect to his base, and the base of most Republican senators and congresspeople, it's working.
Not content to have Fox, AM radio, and literature's version of dysentery in the form of ejecta like Alex Jones and Breitbart, the idiot right needs the voices that correct them shot in the back of the head and dumped into a ditch one at a time.
This nation is hopeless. How can you expect to argue sensibly with people who aren't aware of their own best interests enough to vote for those interests? Hell, who are so bereft of the thinnest critical thinking skills that they'll willingly vote against their best interests?
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:22 pm
(February 25, 2017 at 3:05 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It's true that the President can invite whomever he pleases to one of these functions....It's merely one more piece that will be thrown back at him, and bite him in the ass, I think. Just as Montgomery's First Rule of War is "Don't march on Moscow," the first rule of American politics is "don't alienate the press."
I never said it was wise or even desirable to target certain news outlets for exclusion' although I understand the sentiment and share the contempt of many for the MSM. IMO they have abandoned the public interest who they claim to serve in favor of establishment and elite opinion. I am merely saying that it is not an "attack" on the first amendment. No one's liberty has been infringed upon. This is not a slippery slope to fascism. To say otherwise is both hyperbolic and in error.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:25 pm
(February 25, 2017 at 2:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: IMO they have abandoned the public interest who they claim to serve in favor of establishment and elite opinion.
It may surprise you, but the purpose of the press isn't servving popular sentiment. It's reporting what they perceive to be true. Apart from the obvious, selling ads, that is.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:26 pm
(February 25, 2017 at 7:52 am)abaris Wrote: Spokesmen are accountable to the press... No they are not. The "press" we are talking about is an unelected self-selected media industry. They are a business that pretends to be a public service.
(February 25, 2017 at 7:52 am)abaris Wrote: ... and by extension the public. Yes they are and that is why we hold elections.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:28 pm
Quote:IMO they have abandoned the public interest who they claim to serve in favor of establishment and elite opinion.
Mindless Trumpian talking points
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:33 pm
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(February 25, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Yes they are and that is why we hold elections.
No, you don't elect spokesmen. Spokesmen are the speakers to the public, aka the press. For a government that answers to the public.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Quote:No they are not. The "press" we are talking about is an unelected self-selected media industry. They are a business that pretends to be a public service.
Nope there a public service that makes a profit by holding power to account. And yes it's the press were talking about there not pretending period .Of course you'll assign nefarious motives to them for criticizing Trump and holding him accountable .
And an uniformed electorate is a worthless electorate. Not to mention the fact that power still needs to answer to the people between elections. I know you would love that Trump send the next 2 years surrounded by dido heads that never call him out. And let him do as he pleases but we don't
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:44 pm
(February 24, 2017 at 5:56 pm)Alex K Wrote: The situation in the US is getting more unbelievable every day. Please tell me that there are still actual Americans in this country, on both sides of the aisle, who share the values of the American revolution?
Well I can tell you that those who support Trump are pretty revolting but they tend not to understand of what those values associated with the American revolution consist. They mostly understand exceptionalism, belligerence and lying a new truth into being. Not really the same thing.
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RE: New York Times, CNN, others barred from press briefing
February 25, 2017 at 2:53 pm
Anything Right wing wingnuts don't like or proves there wrong becomes elitist opinion . They masturbate to that word
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