The Trinity Explained

[Minimalist]

If you picure it like a person, God the Father would be from the neck up. God the Son would be from the neck down left side. God the Spirit would be from the neck down right side.

Hey, tack.... could you point me to the line in the bible that contains that little holy anatomy lesson?

[tavarish]

To use your analogy of the conjoined twins, yes we can seperate them surgically and indeed have truly seperate entitis, butin realit don't conjoined twins share the same dna and fingerprints?

1. All identical twins share the same DNA.
2. No, conjoined twins don't share the same fingerprints.

http://multiples.about.com/cs/funfacts/a...rprint.htm

I don't understand your analogy here. Conjoined twins are still regarded as two separate entities.

Can one be in Oklahoma and another go to Virginia? By design they move as one.

And...the ability to move away from one another is evidence of what?

By design tehy're made of one substance.

1. It is by a defect in the pregnancy that they share a similar structure.
2. All identical twins are made of one "substance".

Can you not see a conjoined twin walk down the street and accuratly say he's walking down the street or they are walking down the street. Wouldn't both be accurate.

No, because a twin implies two people - that's kind of the point. It's not a person with two heads, it's two people sharing one body. Completely different concept. Not only that, you can demonstrate that the entities that encompass this body are indeed different from one another, both physically and reasonably.

One the singular object in it's entirey or multiple each individual personality? By action their purposes and wills are different therefore they can interact with us in different ways.

..and here you are again referring to "them" as separate entities. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to say they're part of a collective, so be it, but don't then go and say they're the same thing. I can say Superman and Wonderwoman are part of the Superfriends, but it would be foolish of me to say that they're not separate entities, and the fact that they're connected with a common goal somehow means that Superman is indeed Wonderwoman.

Jesus took human form. The Spirit resides within us. God resides in Heaven.

So people pray to all three. Please tell me how this isn't worshiping 3 gods - all with their own will and mind?

To answer your question he sacrificed himself for us by going through the trials and tribulations in human form. There is no sacrificing to. It would be like saying " I sacrificed some of my time to help the homeless" Who are you sacrificing to? No one really, just another way of saying giving something up to get something done.

When I give my time to the homeless, the time is not a sacrifice. It is not a noun, as it is intangible. It isn't an offering to a deity, it's a representation of efforts made to help people in a reasonable way. Jesus, like other blood sacrifices, was the sacrifice.

Keeping the blood clean for sacrifice to his father:

John 20:17
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father - but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Comparing it to animal sacrifice:

Hebrews 9:12
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."


Referring to God and Jesus separately, and the blood sacrifice to God - Christ.

Hebrews 9:24-26
"For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Christ buying our sins back from God with his blood sacrifice, also referring to the Holy Ghost as a separate entity from God and Christ.

Acts 20:28
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood"

[tackattack]

[Godscreated]

First Christ gave His life for us, He sacrificed Himself for us, His sacrifice was not made to the Father so God did not sacrifice Himself to Himself.

When you make an animal sacrifice to appease the gods (or Yahweh) for your sins, the animal isn't being sacrificed to the priest. The animal is (theoretically) being sacrificed to the gods to appease their wrath.

In cultures that offered human sacrifices to appease the gods, the human isn't dying for the community, even though the are theoretically the beneficiaries. The human is being sacrificed to the gods.

Jesus was essentially to be the penultimate sacrifice for sins, to appease the wrath of Yahweh and pave the way for our salvation (theoretically). He replaced the need for animal sacrifices as he performed that very role. He was sacrificed to Yahweh, as the previous animals were. You can't use the fact that we are (theoretically) the beneficiaries to obfuscate the issue. Yahweh is who he was sacrificed to.

But he IS Yahweh, and so he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to convince himself to forgive us.

Clear?

No that is not clear show me Bibically that you are correct.

[DeistPaladin]

No that is not clear show me Bibically that you are correct.

Well, help me out then. Tell me what part isn't clear and I'll give you the passage to review.

[Godscreated]

@TOO- He did sacrifice part of himself.

To what did he sacrifice part of himself?

This is what I mean by you guys take things from TV and try to apply it to God and it want work. Christ sacrificed Himself for us to cover our sins Christ could have only sacrificed Himself to God if He had done something wrong.

If you picure it like a person, God the Father would be from the neck up. God the Son would be from the neck down left side. God the Spirit would be from the neck down right side.

...so God has no control over the son and the holy spirit? Do any of them have control over each other?

You should read the Bible verses that I posted the answer is there. They are of one mind they have the same attributes they are three entities that share one common goal. That goal is to glorify God, I know you do not understand this concept but it is what it is. They do not control each other they work as one.

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First Christ gave His life for us, He sacrificed Himself for us, His sacrifice was not made to the Father so God did not sacrifice Himself to Himself.

When you make an animal sacrifice to appease the gods (or Yahweh) for your sins, the animal isn't being sacrificed to the priest. The animal is (theoretically) being sacrificed to the gods to appease their wrath.

In cultures that offered human sacrifices to appease the gods, the human isn't dying for the community, even though the are theoretically the beneficiaries. The human is being sacrificed to the gods.

Jesus was essentially to be the penultimate sacrifice for sins, to appease the wrath of Yahweh and pave the way for our salvation (theoretically). He replaced the need for animal sacrifices as he performed that very role. He was sacrificed to Yahweh, as the previous animals were. You can't use the fact that we are (theoretically) the beneficiaries to obfuscate the issue. Yahweh is who he was sacrificed to.

But he IS Yahweh, and so he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to convince himself to forgive us.

Clear?

What I put in bold.

[Minimalist]

@min- I'd link the site but you're trying to liberalize my analogy and then prove it untrue because it's not scriptural based.

Oh no, tack. You know me. I think the "scriptures" are absolute bullshit from the word go. However, since it is you guys who inform us that all of this stuff is in there I just wondered if you had a source for that one.

Frankly, even if it was in "scriptures" that would not save it from being bullshit.


Some things cannot be saved.

[Edwardo Piet]

[...]But he IS Yahweh, and so he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to convince himself to forgive us.

Clear?

That's right folks: Even God can suffer from schizophrenia!

[Jaysyn]

That's right folks: Even God can suffer from schizophrenia!

That would actually explain a lot .... if he/she/it was real to start with.

[tavarish]