Four kids & mom of Catholic family die in a house fire.

[Jehanne]

Apples & Oranges.  The First Estate in France cared very little about the well-being of the Third Estate.

P.S.  Do a compare sometime between the Republic of today and the Monarchy prior to the Revolution.  I will promise to read it.

You're missing the point entirely. Someone having to run on a wood stove won't have the dosh to fork out for smoke alarms. Which in turn got nothing to do with them being religious or not.

I've made my point and I am done posting on this thread; it is just too upsetting.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Catholic_Lady]

So, what do the family's Catholicism and their death in a house fire have to do with one another? And really, for the average person who doesn't know these people, what separates them from the approximately seven people who die in a house fire in America every day?

Wood stoves are dangerous, especially, those located on the second floor of a home.  But, such is the mentality of some conservative religious folk.

Uh wood stoves on the second floor have nothing to do with Catholicism or political affiliation lol.

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Wood fire stoves on the second floor of a home are a religious thing??

No.

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Wood fire stoves on the second floor of a home are a religious thing??

This entire thread confuses me.  But mostly, just sad to read.  The survivors will surely suffer greatly, too.

No, but it's a stupid thing, and conservative religious people are known for their stupidity, something that no one, atheists included, are completely immune from, but the trend is more on the side of the stupid, religious conservatives than it is on Our side.

Ah I see. 

You're using this horrible tragedy as a way to bash Catholicism by saying they died because they're stupid because they're Catholic. 

Sickening.

[Jehanne]

Wood stoves are dangerous, especially, those located on the second floor of a home.  But, such is the mentality of some conservative religious folk.

Uh wood stoves on the second floor have nothing to do with Catholicism or political affiliation lol.

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Wood fire stoves on the second floor of a home are a religious thing??

No.

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No, but it's a stupid thing, and conservative religious people are known for their stupidity, something that no one, atheists included, are completely immune from, but the trend is more on the side of the stupid, religious conservatives than it is on Our side.

Ah I see. 

You're using this horrible tragedy as a way to bash Catholicism by saying they died because they're stupid because they're Catholic. 

Sickening.

Religion is a sickness, Catholicism in particular.  I have more respect for a typical drug user; at least they admit that theirs is a chemical fantasy as opposed to an intellectual one.

[Joods]

A lot of religious conservatives were (or still are) Ron Paul supporters; they believe that they don't need any type of government assistance at all.  It's not at all surprising to me to see these types of people believing that they don't need smoke alarms in their homes.  What a pity!

And the connection between  not wanting government assistance and not having a smoke detectors is?

Exactly. Because at any given time, you can literally go to your local fire department, tell them you need smoke detectors for your home and they will GIVE them to you. 

Also... if you rent it is a requirement that your landlord provide WORKING smoke detectors in your home. You must supply batteries, but the detectors must be functioning at the time you sign a lease.

[Catholic_Lady]

Uh wood stoves on the second floor have nothing to do with Catholicism or political affiliation lol.

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No.

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Ah I see. 

You're using this horrible tragedy as a way to bash Catholicism by saying they died because they're stupid because they're Catholic. 

Sickening.

Religion is a sickness, Catholicism in particular.  I have more respect for a typical drug user; at least they admit that theirs is a chemical fantasy as opposed to an intellectual one.

I don't give a FUCK. You can say Catholics are the sick equivalence of drug addicts all you want, for all I care. But this?? This stunt you pulled is what infuriates me.  

Children just got burned to death, you cold hearted man. Children. Got burned alive. Along with a woman.  

And what do you do? You post about it here for the sole purpose of somehow proving that Catholics are stupid, because that family is Catholic and died in a fire. You're using the death of women and children as a means of attacking their faith. That is sick twisted, and disgusting. Not only is there a complete lack of empathy and humanity on your part, but you do the opposite, by going in for the attack and using their tragedy against them.

[Athene]

Self-Congratulatory Atheist Jumps Shark in Highly Sensationalized Click-Bait Thread, Catholic Lady Drops F-Bomb

[Faith No More]

I don't give a FUCK. You can say Catholics are the sick equivalence of drug addicts all you want, for all I care. But this?? This stunt you pulled is what infuriates me.  

Children just got burned to death, you cold hearted man. Children. Got burned alive. Along with a woman.  

And what do you do? You post about it here for the sole purpose of somehow proving that Catholics are stupid, because that family is Catholic and died in a fire. You're using the death of women and children as a means of attacking their faith. That is sick twisted, and disgusting. Not only is there a complete lack of empathy and humanity on your part, but you do the opposite, by going in for the attack and using their tragedy against them.

[Jehanne]

Religion is a sickness, Catholicism in particular.  I have more respect for a typical drug user; at least they admit that theirs is a chemical fantasy as opposed to an intellectual one.

I don't give a FUCK. You can say Catholics are the sick equivalence of drug addicts all you want, for all I care. But this?? This stunt you pulled is what infuriates me.  

Children just got burned to death, you cold hearted man. Children. Got burned alive. Along with a woman.  

And what do you do? You post about it here for the sole purpose of somehow proving that Catholics are stupid, because that family is Catholic and died in a fire. You're using the death of women and children as a means of attacking their faith. That is sick twisted, and disgusting. Not only is there a complete lack of empathy and humanity on your part, but you do the opposite, by going in for the attack and using their tragedy against them.

Yes, indeed, I think that their faith killed them!  I think that such was the causal factor in their deaths.  Kind of like the Christian Science parents who refuse to take their sick kiddos to the emergency room while their lungs are filling-up with fluid from pneumonia.  Yeah, the truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it?  But, in the end the truth (small 't') will set you free!  And, I bet, the World will have fewer dead children!  And, for me, that's a good thing!!

Religion of any kind is a public nuisance that needs to be eradicated!  Professor E.O. Wilson, a distinguished biologist at Harvard said it so very well:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/e-o-wilson-im-n...ed-1485543

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And, I will try to make my point a little more scientifically, as to why religious faith is bad for one's health:

In 1995, the death rate of the least educated was 2.4 times that of the most educated.

By 2010, the death rate was 4.3 times.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/2/943819...vel-deaths

And, as we all know, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to believe in dumb religious ideas:

JUST one extra year of schooling makes someone 10% less likely to attend a church, mosque or temple, pray alone or describe himself as religious, concludes a paper* published on October 6th that looks at the relationship between religiosity and the length of time spent in school. It uses changes in the compulsory school-leaving age in 11 European countries between 1960 and 1985 to tease out the impact of time spent in school on belief and practice among respondents to the European Social Survey, a long-running research project.

http://www.economist.com/news/internatio...lling-away

And, yes, religion is bad for one's health and one's life, also, and that of one's children!!

[Aroura]

Even if you could link their deaths to their religion (and really, I don't think you can), that's victim blaming at it's lowest.  This is no different than saying overweight people are asking to die of heart attacks and diabetes, or that gay people deserve AIDS.

P.S. CL, I knew there was no correlation, of course, it was a rhetorical question meant to point out how stupid it was to act like tragedy this had anything to do with their religion.  Internet sarcasm fail, I guess.

[Jehanne]

Even if you could link their deaths to their religion (and really, I don't think you can), that's victim blaming at it's lowest.  This is no different than saying overweight people are asking to die of heart attacks and diabetes, or that gay people deserve AIDS.

P.S. CL, I knew there was no correlation, of course, it was a rhetorical question meant to point out how stupid it was to act like tragedy this had anything to do with their religion.  Internet sarcasm fail, I guess.

NO ONE deserves to die.  Do you remember my posting on the upcoming four double executions in Arkansas?!  As for overweight people, yes, some have poor diets, but for others, their condition is almost entirely genetic.  Apples & Oranges if it turns out that this home did not have any smoke alarms, and, I suspect, from the press reports, that it did not.

But, yes, religion (and, let's face it, these people were almost certainly religious -- it was the press, not I, that portrayed them as a "Catholic family with 5 children"!  Re-read the original articles) numbs one's critical-thinking skills by getting people to believe, even halfheartedly, that there's a invisible Sky Daddy whose looking out for them, or that there are invisible fairies and/or unicorns running about the neighborhood, where demons and/or witches abound, not to mention virgin births!  And, let's not forget the crackers that are allegedly turning into the Body & Soul of the Creator of the Cosmos!  Gee, who could profess to believe those ideas, and yet, still think critically, at least while driving, knowing (as I do) that the conversation of energy and/or momentum are absolute facts of nature, hence, life!  Or, who would know, with beliefs like those, of the color temperature relationship of the Universe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature

which means that a house fire is pretty fucking hot!!  But, with fairies and/or unicorns clouding one's mind, who has time to think of that!  By the way, I have smoke detectors on every floor of my home; even installed an additional one that the fire department neglected to install.  And, I have a large fire extinguisher in my basement; it's big and red!

But, gee, with all of these supernatural shenanigans going on, who would worry or not if they had working smoke detectors in their homes?!  Well, some would, some wouldn't.  I guess that it's all statistical, kind of like Nature herself/itself, in that some people can tolerate cognitive dissonance a helluva of lot better than others can!  Ditto for alcohol, I suppose, but in the end, everyone probably has his/her "limit".