The false self and our knowledge of it's deception proves God.

[Chad32]

It's not a paradox. I value myself above others because I'm responsible for my body. No one else is. At least not once I grew up enough to take care of myself. It's just a personal responsibility to value yourself more than others, otherwise you'd wither away and die.

That doesn't follow. All that proves is you ought to take responsibility for yourself and actions, not that you ought to value yourself more than others.

Isn't that the same thing? Nobody's going to take care of me, but me. Meaning I have to look after myself above all others. That doesn't mean I need to interfere with others in the process, but no one is going to drive me to the gym, and sit me down in a machine. Nobody's going to stock my pantry with healthy food, instead of sugary junk. I have to do that myself.

[Mystic]

That doesn't follow. All that proves is you ought to take responsibility for yourself and actions, not that you ought to value yourself more than others.

Isn't that the same thing? Nobody's going to take care of me, but me. Meaning I have to look after myself above all others. That doesn't mean I need to interfere with others in the process, but no one is going to drive me to the gym, and sit me down in a machine. Nobody's going to stock my pantry with healthy food, instead of sugary junk. I have to do that myself.

That's responsibility, not valuing which is done with love.

[Chad32]

Isn't that the same thing? Nobody's going to take care of me, but me. Meaning I have to look after myself above all others. That doesn't mean I need to interfere with others in the process, but no one is going to drive me to the gym, and sit me down in a machine. Nobody's going to stock my pantry with healthy food, instead of sugary junk. I have to do that myself.

That's responsibility, not valuing which is done with love.

I do't get the difference. I really don't see an issue with valuing myself above others, while also believing people should do the same regarding themselves.

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

Somehow his logic isn't. Between MysticKnight and Little Rik my head is spinning, it must be time for bed. cho

[Simon Moon]

Deception of ourselves and our knowledge of our false idol proves God.

1. Worship is what is valued most.
2. Each person tends to value themselves the most.
3. No person believes others ought to value them the most.
4. We are in double think where we value ourselves as number one but don't believe others ought to value ourselves the most.
5. Each person committed to valuing themselves the most thus creates a false belief, they don't truly believe they should be valued most and hence are believing and acting to lie.
6. Therefore we are false gods.
7. This suggests there is something we should value the most that is not us and that everything should value the most as well.
8. That being is that which out to be valued the most by us and by all (God).

None of this (zero, zilch, zip, nada) proves any god exists.


Please, MK, just stop.

I used to like you, but your constant attempts at these massively flawed 'proofs' has gotten old.

If you are coming up with these 'proofs' in an attempt to shore up your own irrational beliefs, please just keep them in a personal journal. If you think for a second any person here, that values critical thinking and rational thought, is going to fall for them, you might as well just give it up now.,

[Fireball]

Deception of ourselves and our knowledge of our false idol proves God.

1. Worship is what is valued most.
2. Each person tends to value themselves the most.
3. No person believes others ought to value them the most.
4. We are in double think where we value ourselves as number one but don't believe others ought to value ourselves the most.
5. Each person committed to valuing themselves the most thus creates a false belief, they don't truly believe they should be valued most and hence are believing and acting to lie.
6. Therefore we are false gods.
7. This suggests there is something we should value the most that is not us and that everything should value the most as well.
8. That being is that which out to be valued the most by us and by all (God).

I guess if you throw enough shit at the wall, some might stick? FFS, this place is starting to look like an Islamic graffiti zone.

[Minimalist]

With you, literally everything proves God.

[Flavius]

Hmm.. Let me think about this for a second..

[Amarok]

That's responsibility, not valuing which is done with love.

I do't get the difference. I really don't see an issue with valuing myself above others, while also believing people should do the same regarding themselves.

Indeed love and responsibility can be the same thing

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I do't get the difference. I really don't see an issue with valuing myself above others, while also believing people should do the same regarding themselves.

Indeed love and responsibility can be the same thing

Second you can value something without love

[Astreja]

1. Worship is what is valued most.

No.  Worship has zero value in my worldview.  I say again:  Zero.

8. That being is that which out to be valued the most by us and by all (God).

You, sir, have no right whatsoever to dictate what anyone else "ought to" value.  You are entitled to speak only for what you value.

Stuff your make-believe god up your rectum.

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FFS, this place is starting to look like an Islamic graffiti zone.

"Starting to"?