What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?

[Angrboda]

[Little Rik]

[Jackie]

[The Grand Nudger]

Most people who had an NDE could see their bodies lie or in the casualty of the hospital or where some accident took place that clearly means that the consciousness separate from the body-brain beside

Hardly.  I can see myself in dreams as well, doing all sorts of strange shit, and even in the third person.  Creating a third person perspective of ourselves and our environment is well within the means of our waking or sleeping mind..and, apparently..can happen before, during or after an nde.

a brain in trouble can not possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid that is remembered after years and years that took place.

-that ought to make you suspicious of nde accounts, if you think it's true..actually. How -could- a brain in trouble possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid? Is what's remembered years later actually what happened?

[Jackie]

So can you show me where I claimed to know of the origins of the universe? Or no?

The sentence you highlighted is a claim about the argument for a deist god. Not about the origins of the universe. You're not very bright, Rik.

Wrong again Ace.
By saying that some people have a ..........lack of knowledge of the origins of Earth and/or the Universe..........you automatically make a judgement and by making a judgement you automatically put yourself in a position to know or suppose to know the truth.
And if you know the truth you should answer my question.
If not you talk crap.  

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This is bullshit and you've been corrected on it before.  The brain continues to live on for about 6 minutes after cardiac arrest, during which it is accurately described as 'dying' not as 'dead'.  After those 6 minutes the brain starts to become truly dead, and once vital areas of the brain have died, there is no coming back to tell the experience of an NDE.  They are then dead, finis, kaput.  Not before.


Don't you ever get tired of lying about these things?

Fail once again Yog.    

First of all your link say..........The brain can survive for up to about six minutes after the heart stops.

Do you know what the word CAN mean in this case?  
It means that it can as well as it can not.
It depend on the situations so all your impetus zeal to contradict me just goes down the sewer but
that's not all Yog.
Most people who had an NDE could see their bodies lie or in the casualty of the hospital or where some accident took place that clearly means that the consciousness separate from the body-brain beside
a brain in trouble can not possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid that is remembered after years and years that took place.

Try again Yog but please less garbage next time.  
Have a good day dear.  

The bullshit term "NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE" gives it away, "NEAR" not beyond the window. That isn't after permanent death, thus the word "NEAR". Nobody survives death after that window has closed. If you survive you still had enough in you to come back.

NDE's are simply humans false perceptions of their natural brain activity. The brain goes through a shutdown and sometimes you can come out of that shutdown, but after the window has closed BEYOND repair you don't come back.

Hallucinations are your brain dumping out your files due to heavy medication and or hypoxia and that sensation can feel very real, but it is still nothing more than your hallucination. If you spent a lifetime being told bullshit claims of souls and spirits and afterlife, your hallucinations are going to reflect the lives you interacted with, your memories and mix with the fairy tales you swallowed in that time. 

If you are raised Hindu or Sikh in India  have a NDE in India your "experience" will involve India's superstitions and social norms and will involve your family members and friends who buy into that superstition too. If you are born in Saudi Arabia and raised Sunni Muslim and have a NDE, again, your false perception of a hallucination will involve the superstitions and beliefs of Muslims. If you are born in Tibet and raised Buddhist, and have a "NDE" again, same thing, your false perception will involve your memories of family friends and the superstitions they buy into.

BUT none of that is real. It is no different than if really want to believe the covered olives in the dark kitchen on Halloween night are really eyeballs, you will believe it.

[Angrboda]

You don't getting Em, do you?  
NDEs only happen when the brain is dead not when is dying.

This is bullshit and you've been corrected on it before.  The brain continues to live on for about 6 minutes after cardiac arrest, during which it is accurately described as 'dying' not as 'dead'.  After those 6 minutes the brain starts to become truly dead, and once vital areas of the brain have died, there is no coming back to tell the experience of an NDE.  They are then dead, finis, kaput.  Not before.


Don't you ever get tired of lying about these things?

Fail once again Yog.    

First of all your link say..........The brain can survive for up to about six minutes after the heart stops.

Do you know what the word CAN mean in this case?  
It means that it can as well as it can not.
It depend on the situations so all your impetus zeal to contradict me just goes down the sewer

You're a fucking moron.  If the brain is dead then there is no coming back from the experience to tell an NDE you stupid cluck.  That's the contradiction between what you're saying and what happens.  An NDE cannot happen when the brain is dead because then it wouldn't be a NEAR death experience but an ACTUAL death experience.  So no, it doesn't depend upon any "situation" you clueless moron.

but that's not all Yog.
Most people who had an NDE could see their bodies lie or in the casualty of the hospital or where some accident took place that clearly means that the consciousness separate from the body-brain beside

OR it clearly means that they hallucinate seeing their bodies (see here for examples of out-of-body discrepancies).  You BELIEVE that they are actually seeing their bodies from outside of them.  Your 'belief' doesn't count for shit when we have clear evidence that these experiences are generated by the brain itself and have nothing to do with any consciousness separating from the body.  Yours is just a claim that consciousness separates from the body.  You keep making this claim and when asked to back it up you disingenuously point to a website filled with irrelevant NDE accounts and ask us to go digging.  That's bullshit, that's not providing evidence for your claim.  As can be seen from the evidence linked above, OBEs are CLEARLY hallucinations.

a brain in trouble can not possibly put together an experience clear, sharp and vivid that is remembered after years and years that took place.

Yet another claim without backing.  You've been repeatedly informed that G induced loss of consciousness and also the drug ketamine can produce clear, sharp, and vivid hallucinations which are similar to those experienced in an NDE (here, here, and here).  So you know that it's not only possible, but actual.

You just keep repeating the same claims over and over again, and never answer the contrary evidence.  It's either because you're a dishonest ass, or because you're too stoopid to learn from experience.  Either way, I don't care.  It's nothing but lying as far as I'm concerned.

Try again Yog but please less garbage next time.  
Have a good day dear.  

You go fuck yourself.

[WinterHold]

Wherever there are strong hallucinating drugs, nothing can be trusted. The brain produces these; you can make sure by watching videos of dying people -people who got hacked alive or shot-; some smile and spit nonsense, they are hallucinating. 

As long as the brain is alive, it cannot be trusted. NDEs look similar because the drug the brain produces is the same.

[FatAndFaithless]

Wherever there are strong hallucinating drugs, nothing can be trusted. The brain produces these; you can make sure by watching videos of dying people -people who got hacked alive or shot-; some smile and spit nonsense, they are hallucinating. 

As long as the brain is alive, it cannot be trusted. NDEs look similar because the drug the brain produces is the same.

Bolded mine.  What does that mean?

[WinterHold]

Wherever there are strong hallucinating drugs, nothing can be trusted. The brain produces these; you can make sure by watching videos of dying people -people who got hacked alive or shot-; some smile and spit nonsense, they are hallucinating. 

As long as the brain is alive, it cannot be trusted. NDEs look similar because the drug the brain produces is the same.

Bolded mine.  What does that mean?

It's a near death experience; not "total death experience".

If the brain is alive, and it was proven that it produces drugs at the moment of death, or near death, and hence: the drugs produced indices hallucinations, then it cannot be trusted to tell what was real, and what was a production of the drugs.

[FatAndFaithless]

Bolded mine.  What does that mean?

It's a near death experience; not "total death experience".

If the brain is alive, and it was proven that it produces drugs at the moment of death, or near death, and hence: the drugs produced indices hallucinations, then it cannot be trusted to tell what was real, and what was a production of the drugs.

Well that's something I think you'll find most people here agree with you on.