Our theists of all labels please answer....

[Brian37]

The need is out of purpose called "Love".

True loved searches for truly what out to be loved and sees what ought to be loved with the highest form of love.

The name of God is that connection of fabrics of love through the channels of his love.

I would elaborate, but you guys been witnessing when I became Deist to when I became inclined to be Muslim to when became Deist again, then Atheist, then Deist, then Muslim.

You are not interested in knowing why I believe, you are simply interested in dismissing my reasons and mocking it.

Thanks for your personal subjective answer. Now I will invite our Christians here to respond. One thing I don't like on any atheist website is that the different religions only talk to atheists in most threads. I want Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus all in this thread not just Christians and atheists or Muslims and atheists.

This thread is here for ANYONE of any label to respond. The point of it is to break the gridlock of tunnel vision I see from every label. I think humans get stuck on something prior to critically thinking or comparing it to a wider sample. 

Here we have a Muslim using the word "love" to point to his book and his God. Ok what makes MK right and not say CL? 

Now please MK or CL please don't respond with "that is just God speaking in different languages".

FYI you missed my parameter in the OP, I wanted your answer, I didn't want you or any believer using their book or god or club. Can you, or even CL answer without your beer goggles on?

Jesus=Love, subjective opinion.
Allah=Love, subjective opinion
Buddha=Nirvana, subjective opinion
Yahweh=Love, subjective opinion
Brahama=Love, subjective opinion

I want anyone of any label responding not to repeat what their club/writing/hero says.

Try to be brave and introspective and ask YOURSELF before you respond, WHY you feel the need to hold the position you do. Don't tell me what your club/book/hero says. I have heard all the personal subjective reasons for 16 years.

When humans have competing claims what is the best tool that is neutral to determine who got it right?

[Mystic]

First all these religions are true in the sense most of what they teach is accurate including Hinduism. They just took different angles and emphasized on different things the Prophets and Guides of theirs emphasized on.

The question is on how to tell the truth from falsehood? Is this the question.

Because you were first asking for what motivates me, and that is a different question.

The way to know is by sharpening your reflection which is like sword you have to both attack by to reach truth and repel falsehood by. There is no other way.

I've talked about how with honesty reflection becomes a means of distinguishing truth from falsehood.

Now if you want to ask what my various reflections are that have lead me to path I am on, that is different.

I believe in the case of Catholic_Lady, and I mean no offense, but from the church clergy structure to the trinity to other things, she has not sharpened her sword and fought for the truth to distinguished truth from falsehood.

Does this mean I believe she isn't a submitter to the truth or lover of the truth or lover of God or believer of God or actually on the wrong path and hence deviated from human nature which is the true religion? No, we all at our own levels. I don't know the level of sincerity she has but she seems genuine to me.

Just needs to sharpen her sword and take the battle for truth up a notch is all.

[Brian37]

First all these religions are true in the sense most of what they teach is accurate including Hinduism. They just took different angles and emphasized on different things the Prophets and Guides of theirs emphasized on.

The question is on how to tell the truth from falsehood? Is this the question.

Because you were first asking for what motivates me, and that is a different question.

The way to know is by sharpening your reflection which is like sword you have to both attack by to reach truth and repel falsehood by. There is no other way.

I've talked about how with honesty reflection becomes a means of distinguishing truth from falsehood.

Now if you want to ask what my various reflections are that have lead me to path I am on, that is different.

I believe in the case of Catholic_Lady, and I mean no offense, but from the church clergy structure to the trinity to other things,  she has not sharpened her sword and fought for the truth to distinguished truth from falsehood.

Does this mean I believe she isn't a submitter to the truth or lover of the truth or lover of God or believer of God or actually on the wrong path and hence deviated from human nature which is the true religion? No, we all at our own levels. I don't know the level of sincerity she has but she seems genuine to me.

Just needs to sharpen her sword and take the battle for truth up a notch is all.

No, none of them are true. 

I would only agree that one can find motifs of calls for kindness and charity in all of them. And in all parts of the history of our planet every label has made discoveries sure. But again, that does not make any one religion true. 

Our species behaviors are in our evolution, our ability to be cruel or compassionate, our ability to be curious and make discoveries. Our developed brains and more complex language does not make us the center of the planet or special to the planet or universe. 

We know other species display acts of compassion and acts of cruelty. We also know other species can learn too. It is why we can train some lab dogs to do up to 90 commands to act as a support dog to a disabled person. 

If you or anyone, a Christian or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist can accept that someone else with a different club/book can do good and be good, and you can accept every nation has both hospitals and prisons, then it should be within reason for anyone reading this to consider that nothing has been handed down to us from a super natural divine place, but our behaviors are natural, not super natural.

[WinterHold]

I need certain answers that can only exist in the Quran.

I do believe that the Quran has the right answer to everything; and also offers a pathway to God, away from what you referred to with "clubs"; away from human pollution.

[Brian37]

"Its all about filling the gap"

And that is our species problem right there. 

The ancient Egyptians for 3,000 years filled in the gap with the sun god Ra and Osiris and Horis and Isis, and while that gap filling did create social order, it turned out none of those gods were ever real.

Invent the problem, sell the cure. At least snake oil salesmen actually have snake oil to sell.

I agree that all religions get invented as upstarts in a response to what they see around them are the flaws of surrounding and prior religions. But I don't think most humans buy it because the are conning others, most humans simply get sold the religion of their parents. But yea, that also allows cons to exploit them too. 

You can truly believe something and not feel that you are trying to con someone, and others are conning you and don't give a shit.

[Cyberman]

When you reach the stage where you think of humans as pollution, you need locking away.

[WinterHold]

Just needs to sharpen her sword and take the battle for truth up a notch is all.

Hey hey hey it's not the day of Ashura yet!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ndson.html

Sorry, I can't ignore your posts !
Your Shiite cult is so sick!

[Mystic]

I don't know what you are asking then.

1. What motivates me to have bought in or promote by my faith?
2. How I distinguish truth from falsehood?
3. What are the various reflections that has lead me to my path?

Atheism doesn't answer any questions. It's lack of belief in answers. That is all, right?

This is what you guys keep saying. So it's either you've understood the various arguments out there and have refuted them so as to say there is no evidence, or come up with a reason to negate religion or are being circular in your guess of what reality is, and just talking through that....and I think it's the final of these I mentioned.

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Just needs to sharpen her sword and take the battle for truth up a notch is all.

Hey hey hey it's not the day of Ashura yet!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ndson.html

I thought you blocked me?

[Cyberman]

Invent the problem, sell the cure. At least snake oil salesmen actually have snake oil to sell.

I agree that all religions get invented as upstarts in a response to what they see around them are the flaws of surrounding and prior religions. But I don't think most humans buy it because the are conning others, most humans simply get sold the religion of their parents. But yea, that also allows cons to exploit them too. 

You can truly believe something and not feel that you are trying to con someone, and others are conning you and don't give a shit.

That's because the con is self-propagating. There's no mechanism for fact checking, nor tolerance for corrected facts. You only need to read AiG's statement of faith to realise that.

[Catholic_Lady]

I think it is a bit of a loaded question though. It's not about "feeling the need to buy it." I believe in it bc I do genuinely think it's true.

Not a loaded question. 

I am not doubting that you truly believe it. So what, other humans follow other religions and truly believe what they believe. 

If have no neutral way to demonstrate the credibility of what you "truly believe" then it still boils down to what you like believing. I think you fail to consider that. 

Huge difference between "I truly believe" which only says you believe.

And the same problem followers of any religion have.

Nobody of any religion has a neutral way of demonstrating the credibility of the positions they hold.

So again, to you the Christian, and to any Muslim or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist ect ect..... 

Not "Why"....

But

"Why do you feel the need to hold your position"...... The only honest answer can be you really want to believe it and really like the idea.

But that's what I'm saying though. I don't feel any need.

It would be like me asking you why you feel the need to be atheist or why you feel the need to be liberal. I take it you don't feel the need to be those things, you just are because those are the positions that make the most sense to you.