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Do you believe in "Fate"?

Poll: Do you believe in "Fate"?
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Do you believe in "Fate"?
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RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 9, 2010 at 5:39 pm
(October 9, 2010 at 11:32 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I'm just saying how ultimate moral responsibility doesn't make any sense if there is no "free will".
We have no responsibility for anything at that rate. If a court of law can hold you responsible for your actions then ultimate moral responsibility is also yours.

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#42
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 10, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Legally responsible and morally responsible are different. If I am not ultimately responsible in choice then I can't be morally. Because "ought" implies "can".
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RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm
You ought not to steal and you don't because you can stop yourself. It's morally wrong to steal which is why you ought not do it.
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#44
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 10, 2010 at 4:15 pm
And your point is?
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RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm
You are ultimately responsible.
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#46
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 10, 2010 at 5:21 pm
No,nor free will. Go figure..
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RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 12, 2010 at 7:00 am
Call me crazy, but I voted yes.
Why was I born where I was?
You can argue that it was sheer luck, but it believe it was fate...
Why did I meet certain people?
You can again say its luck but I dont know, perhaps its fate?
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 12, 2010 at 7:51 am (This post was last modified: October 12, 2010 at 7:53 am by Edwardo Piet.)
Why would it be fate?
(October 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You are ultimately responsible.

No that does not logically follow at all. The fact society rightly holds people responsible (to at least some extent) does not mean that we are ultimately responsible. We can't be ultimately responsible because we're not ultimately free, and so we can't be ultimately morally responsible either.
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#49
RE: Do you believe in "Fate"?
October 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm
(October 3, 2010 at 1:48 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Do you believe in "Fate"?

Define fate. My conception of it is exactly the same as determinism.

Since i'm very much a determinist on relativistic scales i would vote YES.
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