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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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(June 22, 2017 at 11:08 am)alpha male Wrote: I don't hold that omniscience precludes free will for anyone, so no, I don't have a problem in saying that God is omniscient and has free will. Succubus has a problem.
Where did I mention or even allude to, free will? You morphed this thread into a free will discussion, no one else. Now before you flounce off could you take another look at this, you dodged it before. Why would, how could, an omnipotent-omniscient god have a need to repent for, and grieve over his actions?
Quote:And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
At what point did god begin to repent? Was it at the moment he made a balls of it or, a million, billion, trillion, quadrillion years prior?
On a completely unrelated note; this forum software really, really sucks.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 4:00 pm
and even after the Flood, we are still wicked !!!
I wanna double entry in Jesus nail holes with Brett Favre !!!!!
Wicked enough for another Flood there, God ???
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 4:13 pm
Apparently god was displeased with the amount of violence in the world, so to end the violence he kills just about every living thing on the planet.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 4:25 pm
(June 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Succubus Wrote: Where did I mention or even allude to, free will? You morphed this thread into a free will discussion, no one else. Now before you flounce off could you take another look at this, you dodged it before. Why would, how could, an omnipotent-omniscient god have a need to repent for, and grieve over his actions?
God knew that the final outcome is worth going ahead with the creation. Why wouldn't he be grieved with mankind's wickedness in the meantime?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 4:58 pm
He was grieving over and repenting for his -own- actions, in creating such wicked creatures. Focus.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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(June 22, 2017 at 4:25 pm)alpha male Wrote: (June 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Succubus Wrote: Where did I mention or even allude to, free will? You morphed this thread into a free will discussion, no one else. Now before you flounce off could you take another look at this, you dodged it before. Why would, how could, an omnipotent-omniscient god have a need to repent for, and grieve over his actions?
God knew that the final outcome is worth going ahead with the creation. Why wouldn't he be grieved with mankind's wickedness in the meantime?
But he didn't go ahead with the creation, he killed every fucker as part of his perfect plan.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 22, 2017 at 8:41 pm
(June 22, 2017 at 5:15 pm)Succubus Wrote: But he didn't go ahead with the creation, he killed every fucker as part of his perfect plan.
First, the choice to go ahead with the creation was made before, well creation...that choice was made prior to the flood.
Second, there's like 7 billion of us, so no, he didn't kill everyone.
Try reading a little further. It all ends well for God and his followers.
So, why shouldn't he have created?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 23, 2017 at 9:17 am
The question isn't really why shouldn't he have created, it's why shouldn't he have created better?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 23, 2017 at 10:24 am
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"God and his followers" seems to leave out a significant portion of people for whom it already hasn't and won't end up well. Presumably, those people deserve a smidge more consideration in any assessment of whether or not it all turns out well in the end.
While a person may, for example..still decide to breed 20 puppies knowing that few will survive their life of bitter cruelty and unending misery under the boot of a puppy kicking breeder......pointing to those that manage -not- to have their necks stepped on doesn't actually address or help to avoid the inevitable ethical and moral dilemmas created by those that -do- have their neck stepped on. One is, in offering such a defense of those criticisms, simply saying "meh, they don;t count" - which, itself, create a moral and ethical dilemma, not only for god..but for whomever proposed it as a resolution.
One might wonder who the dick here, is, in all of this. God or god's apologists. From the biblical narrative, it -seems- as though god wasn't pleased with drowning the earth, that all had not, in fact, turned out well. It even seems that god was reticient with regards to it's own actions and decisions which led to that watery end. Granted, it's more exercise in theology than anything else, what with there never having been any deluge. That, to me, is what makes it all the more perplexing. This drowning of the world is one of the most extravagant examples of those things which god is said to do in the biblical narrative that create moral and ethical dilemmas for both god and god believers. If one wanted to rid one's self of those dilemmas, as a god believer, the solution ought to be obvious. Rather than reenforce those dilemmas with the cruelty stated up above....one simply needs to acknowledge that it never happened, and poof, like magic, you've sucesffuly defended this god concept from that critcism. As a bonus, one doesn't look like an ignorant fairy tale believer...at least on that specific count.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 23, 2017 at 10:35 am
(June 23, 2017 at 9:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The question isn't really why shouldn't he have created, it's why shouldn't he have created better?
Better how, and for whom?
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