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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 2:48 am
(June 26, 2017 at 8:52 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (June 25, 2017 at 4:04 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Abraham was willing to kill Isaac for personal fame and fortune. The story is in contrast to the scene where Satan temps Yeshua by offering him the world if he would worship him. Yeshua declined. Abraham accepted. The story is also based upon the 4th Commandment where Yahweh says that all that opens the womb is his, which means that the parents had to kill their first born or redeem them Abraham was supposedly able to redeem Isaac with a ram that he had caught in a thicket.
Later on in the fairy tale Yahweh said that the dummies should have been samrt enough no to kill the kids but they were idiots so they did.
Suppose you had to kill your son to save your wife. When you got married you took a vow to foresake all others. You never took such a vow for your son. So were you just lying when you pledged to foresake all others for your wife?
You are still ridiculous as you have ever been, if you don't understand the intentions of the marriage vows then you should just leave them out of conversations. You also must have a different version of the Bible than Christians around the world because the one we use says nothing like what you're describing about Abraham. You sir are just throwing around unfounded statements to try and prove a point and all the Christians here understand that weakness in you. You might fool some of the atheist here but I doubt you can foll all of them to many here are smart than that even if they do not want to admit it. I do think it's sad when those who know better than to believe such blatant falsehoods agree with you or others, it's just sad to see people throw away their intellect.
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Abraham was one of the most despicable main characters in the Bible. He had no redeeming qualities. He was a thief, liar, murderer, sexual pervert, stingy, greedy, insane, and he spent his life screwing his sister. He was eager to kill Isaac for his own personal fame and fortune. Ishmael should have pissed on his grave.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 10:27 am
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(June 26, 2017 at 4:53 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: alpha male Wrote:Suffering isn't bad if it leads to something good. People voluntarily take on suffering all the time. In this case, temporary suffering provides a deeper relationship with God, and that is eternal.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that God deals in eternal suffering as well as eternal reward. How is suffering in hell good? If you're a universalist, I withdraw the question.
Yes, he deals in eternal suffering as well, but we were talking about those whom God loves. For them, suffering leads to a greater good. I never said that the eternal suffering of the condemned leads to good.
(June 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm sure there is a large section in heaven, bleachers if you will, where there is a good view of the depredations of hell.
It would have to be a popular venue for entertainment. Doling out inequity and the wages of sin. Just fulfilling the contract.
No schadenfreude, of course.
See Ezek 33:11. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Pretty sure we'll have better things to do.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:03 am
(June 27, 2017 at 10:27 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes, he deals in eternal suffering as well, but we were talking about those whom God loves. For them, suffering leads to a greater good. I never said that the eternal suffering of the condemned leads to good.
I thought "God" loves everybody?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:17 am
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He loves everyone who voluntarily enslaves themselves to him based on how convincing they find his ghostwriters and sales reps, everybody else can go to hell.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:21 am
(June 27, 2017 at 11:03 am)Cyberman Wrote: (June 27, 2017 at 10:27 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes, he deals in eternal suffering as well, but we were talking about those whom God loves. For them, suffering leads to a greater good. I never said that the eternal suffering of the condemned leads to good.
I thought "God" loves everybody?
Maybe. That's why I used "condemned" there, rather than saying those whom God doesn't love or some such. Some would take the position that God loves every individual to start, but after a time withdraws his love for the rebellious. One could also say that God's love continues no matter what, but he is also just, and his sense of justice overrules his love in the final judgment of the unrepentant.
So, it's probably clearer to refer to those people who do or do not love God.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 11:34 am
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Does his sense of justice ever overrule his withdrawal of love for the rebellious?
ala "Well, I don't love this clayman anymore, so imma toss him in the fire - on second thought.... I guess I can't really condemn him for what he did...so, maybe I'll just leave him alone."
I ask, because, if his sense of justice only ever yields a situation in which he hurts the ones he loves...but doesn;t ever cause him to leave people alone even though he no longer loves them...we're dealing with an awfully strange "sense of justice".
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 12:06 pm
Right his sense of "justice" (vengeful sadism)
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 12:13 pm
(June 27, 2017 at 10:27 am)alpha male Wrote: (June 26, 2017 at 4:53 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Pretty sure I read somewhere that God deals in eternal suffering as well as eternal reward. How is suffering in hell good? If you're a universalist, I withdraw the question.
Yes, he deals in eternal suffering as well, but we were talking about those whom God loves. For them, suffering leads to a greater good. I never said that the eternal suffering of the condemned leads to good.
(June 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm sure there is a large section in heaven, bleachers if you will, where there is a good view of the depredations of hell.
It would have to be a popular venue for entertainment. Doling out inequity and the wages of sin. Just fulfilling the contract.
No schadenfreude, of course.
See Ezek 33:11. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Pretty sure we'll have better things to do.
I thought I parsed that pretty well, and upon review, yeah, I did.
I'm sure the shrieks of the damned are audible in heaven (excepting those sinners God gives throat cancer to before they die) and it's a 'perk' for the heavenly host regardless of how it's defined.
I also note, with a past history of heavenly rebellion, God would need some subtle reminders to ward off more 'in house' insurrection. Yeppers, even heaven needs policed.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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Quote:See Ezek 33:11. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Pretty sure we'll have better things to do.
Weather he takes pleasure in it is irrelevant to him doing it
As for suffering there are ways of achieving just as much good without it .a god who needs suffering to do good is vile.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 27, 2017 at 1:11 pm
(June 27, 2017 at 12:13 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm sure the shrieks of the damned are audible in heaven (excepting those sinners God gives throat cancer to before they die) and it's a 'perk' for the heavenly host regardless of how it's defined.
How are you sure of that?
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