If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I'm not trying to save anyone but it's aggravating as hell to read comments by both theists and atheists about the BS Ten Commandments. If you're going to discuss the damn issue at least be intellectually honest and know what the fuck you're talking about.

As for me I'm as religious as a dust bunny. All gods are imaginary and all religions are scams created by con men to fool their superstitious buddies and to gain status and wealth.

[bennyboy]

I'm fine with the idea of life-as-test, because that's how science sees it, too: essentially, our personal faculties are put into the environment, and we attempt to process it and interact with it.

A murdered baby for sure is being tested: its skin is being tested against the sharpness of a knife, and it will unsurprisingly fail that test and be extinguished from existence.

The idea of a test of faith doesn't make sense, though, since you have to have very well-developed faculties even to conceive of the problem you are faced with.

[Huggy Bear]

But it's not my death being 'used' for this test of my character, is it? Let me clarify. Everything I said is in the context of "if the purpose of her life (or anyone's) was to die in order to test me".

No it's not.

You act like no one is able to go back and look at the context. I was directly replying to your response to Brian.

And Altas, while I am glad you are a liberal Muslim, please understand that "it's a test" is bad argument Christians and Jews use as well.

The morality of claiming "its a test" is horrible.

For example, a 5 year old boy or girl gets kidnapped by a molester, raped and butchered and murdered. In reality unfortunately that happens all the time. Exactly what kind of "test" is that to the kid? What could a kid do at such a young age to deserve that kind of "test".

No sorry.

A test is something you take in school. A test is something you do to get a spot on a sporting team. A test is something you take to get a job. Violence and death is not a "test". An unfortunate reality sure, but the idea of it being a test is immoral.

^^^ This. So very much this. As I said before, if the sweetest woman I will ever have the honour to know had to die for the sake of some obscure "test", then fuck this test, fuck this god, and quite frankly fuck you too for having such a shitty dismissive attitude to the lives of other people.

*emphasis mine*

As you can see Brian was clearly speaking of a kids death as being a test... FOR THE KID, not anyone else, and you agreed, my point is that makes absolutely no sense because what benefit do you gain from a "test" if you're dead? Furthermore God only tests those that he calls sons, so you guys really are discussing a moot point.

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Think for a second, the purpose of a trial is to build character, death would be counter productive...

Sorry but now all you are doing is switching the word "test" with "trial".

Well yes, because nowhere in the KJV does it use the word "test", it uses "trial", so that would be YOU switching the word.

Would you consider it a "trial" if you worked in a restaurant, and your boss never told you about the gas leak, or anyone for that matter, and while you were working the kitchen blew up, several people died but you barely survived? I'd fucking sue in that case. I'd make sure the fucker not only paid my medical bills, but also spent some time in prison for manslaughter.

You are playing word games. Violence and death suck, everyone gets that, but there is no puppeteer setting us up in a rigged game.

And witnessing trauma DOES NOT always "build character". There are even cops and military whom after witnessing violence and death, suffer from PTSD and end up committing suicide.

And this also insults the memory of my own mother. I watched her die. No, it wasn't on a battlefield or in trying to save a kid from a house fire. I watched her slowly decline over a couple week period. And even without the violence I can tell you it is nothing anyone wants to see, but worldwide death happens from everything on average 50 to 60 million times per year.

Death happens in the womb, in birth, it happens in childhood and adult to old age. We die from everything worldwide. Disease, famine, accident, natural disaster, man made disaster, crime and war. Death is not sexy at all, it is ugly and for you to romance it with the word "trial" is no different than using the word "test" to me.

"Trial" doesn't explain shit. Only study of the causes helps us avoid the causes. And even in trying to avoid all the countless ways we can die, we still do.

The urge to survive after facing such things should not be trivialized with hollow cliches. If we wish as a species to extend our ride, we seek data and study that data and adapt to that data.

Okay, you're just going on an incoherent  rant. I clearly stated God does not try people by killing them... yet you ignore that statement and stick to that narrative. If God puts someone through a trial the Bible makes it clear that he will not put someone through something that they are not able to handle.

There hath no temptation taken hold of you but such as is common to man. But God is faithful; He will not suffer you to be tempted beyond that which ye are able to bear, but with the temptation will also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. - 1 Corinthians 10:13

You understand that if you want to be a Navy seal that you must pass their trials, correct? If you want to be a son of God you have to be tried in order to be found worthy of that title.

Got it?

[Cyberman]

Oh noes, I expanded the context!

[Huggy Bear]

AKA backpedaling...

And btw, when you state "^^^ This", you mean exactly that. Saying "^^^ This" and going on to explain a different situation means it wasn't "^^^ That".

[Cyberman]

I backpedal nothing. I applauded the statement and then carried it on. How about you address the things I said regarding the point now?

[Astonished]

I'm fine with the idea of life-as-test, because that's how science sees it, too: essentially, our personal faculties are put into the environment, and we attempt to process it and interact with it.

A murdered baby for sure is being tested: its skin is being tested against the sharpness of a knife, and it will unsurprisingly fail that test and be extinguished from existence.

The idea of a test of faith doesn't make sense, though, since you have to have very well-developed faculties even to conceive of the problem you are faced with.

I think you're using the wrong terms. Under theism, life is a test, something being imposed upon us with a desired result as the outcome and a penalty for failure. Under anything rational, life is an EXPERIMENT. Nothing predetermined, no end goal, lots of unknowns with no preparation. None of that is how tests go. I know I'm mincing words but I think the DEFINITIONS bear so much difference that it had to be corrected. I won't even harp on about how fucked up I think it is that you had the bad taste of using it in the same sentence as science.

[Huggy Bear]

I backpedal nothing. I applauded the statement and then carried it on. How about you address the things I said regarding the point now?

*emphasis mine*
Exactly, that original statement set the context...

Also If you go back and read what I wrote you'll find that I did address what you said.

[Succubus]

You understand that if you want to be a Navy seal that you must pass their trials, correct? If you want to be a son of God you have to be tried in order to be found worthy of that title.

Got it?

Well fuck me! Here's me thinking all that is necessary for salvation is to telepathically tell him I accept him as my lord and master, seat in the upper circle guaranteed. Now I'm told I have to run a gauntlet of tests? I think It's safe to assume intelligence won't be one of them. A large boil on the scrotal sack? The kitchen infested with locusts?

[Cyberman]

I backpedal nothing. I applauded the statement and then carried it on. How about you address the things I said regarding the point now?

*emphasis mine*
Exactly, that original statement set the context...

Also If you go back and read what I wrote you'll find that I did address what you said.

Then I have nothing more to say to you.