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Matter and energy can be past-eternal
#61
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 4:18 am)ManofYesterday Wrote: I mean do you guys really not know that most physicists believe the universe is past-finite? That alone demonstrates that none of you know what's going on in contemporary science.
As a layman, for me, this is the biggest illustration that you haven't updated your knowledge for, what, 30 years or so. Most physicists do not 'believe' that the universe is 'past-finite' because that's not what the evidence tells us. What they do say is that the current universal state inflated from an event preceding Plank time but that classical models can't describe what the preceding state is. They cease to make knowledge statements and instead look to quantum physicists who are trying to work out the problem from the other way round. We understand that there was a different state, positably many different states, but we can't describe it/them. We understand that classical time began at the point of inflation but that time may exist in other states to that of classical theorem and behave very differently.


Quote:And Alex, the reason many people have called you a pseudo-intellectual and a fake physicist in the past is because you seem to not know what the fuck you're talking about. It's not a coincidence that so many people think you're full of shit.
Come on, man. Don't be a dick. He's an active, published physicist. If you change your tone, he may still be willing to exchange but it may already be too late. As an analyst, I can tell you that failing to include his knowledge is ill advised.
Sum ergo sum
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#62
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
Each and every thing has always existed in some form. There was never a time when a thing did not exist in some form. And there was never a time before time. "Always existed" doesn't refer to times before the beginning of time because there were no times before the beginning of time. The very concept of "before time" makes no sense because the very concept of "before" is temporal and hence can't transcend temporality.
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#63
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 8:30 am)Alex K Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 8:27 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'At this point, I don't even think I'd be comfortable believing he's a student of physics.'

Fortunately for those of us in the real world, what you believe matters slightly less than nothing.

Boru

So I don't have to give back my diplomas and titles? That's a relief.

More to the point, you won't have to refund the advances and massive royalties from those textbooks you've written.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#64
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 8:36 am)ignoramus Wrote: Yeah, and your 2 kiddies, we know you borrowed them from the neighbours too! Is there no level you won't stoop too!

Rubbish! We were so poor me mam used borrow the neighbours meat so she could make some gravy!
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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#65
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 9:39 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 8:30 am)Alex K Wrote: So I don't have to give back my diplomas and titles? That's a relief.

More to the point, you won't have to refund the advances and massive royalties from those textbooks you've written.

Boru

Lol massive royalties, I wish Big Grin
Well, it paid the rent for a few months...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#66
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 10:41 am)Succubus Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 8:36 am)ignoramus Wrote: Yeah, and your 2 kiddies, we know you borrowed them from the neighbours too! Is there no level you won't stoop too!

Rubbish! We were so poor me mam used borrow the neighbours meat so she could make some gravy!

You lucky bastards! You had neighbors! We'd have to walk 100 miles on our bare feet to borrow meat for gravy!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#67
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
Aye, and yoo tell that Tkids these days and they wouldn't believe it!
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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#68
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
Or maybe yesman your a fake who does not understand anything. Alex has called you out  and does not want to deal with you because your an asshole . Who can only quote and out of date textbook and quote a blog hawking has not used in years. And take a lack of updating as proof of something. Not to mention you site no studies showing what percentage of physics are part finite. You just site hawking's and when Alex shows another scientist in the field correcting common theist derp. You lash out at him  and demand a diploma with no cited credentials  your own .

And no were not all Alex but we have watched him eat punks like you for breakfast . And definitely not Alex his effort in grammar are way better for on thing Tongue

And no FYI no ones appealing to authority Appealing to a person with relevant expertise is not an appeal to authority.


Quote:Hans Hansen in The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy similarly states that "Fundamentally, the fallacy involves accepting as evidence for a proposition the pronouncement of someone who is taken to be an authority but is not really an authority
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#69
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 11:24 am)Alex K Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 10:41 am)Succubus Wrote: Rubbish! We were so poor me mam used borrow the neighbours meat so she could make some gravy!

You lucky bastards! You had neighbors! We'd have to walk 100 miles on our bare feet to borrow meat for gravy!

You had GRAVY???

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#70
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal
(June 30, 2017 at 12:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 11:24 am)Alex K Wrote: You lucky bastards! You had neighbors! We'd have to walk 100 miles on our bare feet to borrow meat for gravy!

You had GRAVY???

Boru

Everyone's on a Monty Python thing right about now!
Sum ergo sum
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