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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 2:02 pm
(July 7, 2017 at 10:13 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 7, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Christians don't count.
Isaiah 45:17 (TLB) = "But Israel shall be saved by Jehovah with eternal salvation; they shall never be disappointed in their God through all eternity."
Isaiah 45:22 (ESV) "Turn to Me and be saved all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."
Everyone counts.
Isaiah 45: 24 (ESV) "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of Me, are righteousness and strength; to Him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against Him."
The lost are in trouble.
GC
(July 7, 2017 at 10:05 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: *No Jesus Required
Read my reply to WoG. The name LORD in all caps. refers to the trinity. No Jesus no salvation.
GC
If only the Bible made reference to the Trinity . . . .
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 2:49 pm
(July 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Yes we can lose our salvation. God won't turn us away if we come to him, but one who has truly believed can turn from him. The bible speaks of this in many places and is a necessity that goes with having free will. One can have faith in Christ, turn from him and come back. The door is always open.
Where is this copied from, the beginners guide to writing sermons? This vacuous drivel is 'exactly' what you can hear in any parish church throughout any land. It is utterly devoid of any meaningful content.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 3:19 pm
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(July 8, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Yes we can lose our salvation. God won't turn us away if we come to him, but one who has truly believed can turn from him. The bible speaks of this in many places and is a necessity that goes with having free will. One can have faith in Christ, turn from him and come back. The door is always open.
Thank you for actually answering my question! And, it only took 3 pages for this to happen. But, "the door" closes at death, right?
I'm not sure. The bible doesn't state specifically that your opportunity to be saved ends after death.
(July 8, 2017 at 2:49 pm)Succubus Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Yes we can lose our salvation. God won't turn us away if we come to him, but one who has truly believed can turn from him. The bible speaks of this in many places and is a necessity that goes with having free will. One can have faith in Christ, turn from him and come back. The door is always open.
Where is this copied from, the beginners guide to writing sermons? This vacuous drivel is 'exactly' what you can hear in any parish church throughout any land. It is utterly devoid of any meaningful content.
Really? Why? I hope it's what you hear in all the churches.
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm
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(July 7, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 7, 2017 at 10:13 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Isaiah 45:22 (ESV) "Turn to Me and be saved all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."
Everyone counts.
Isaiah 45: 24 (ESV) "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of Me, are righteousness and strength; to Him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against Him."
The lost are in trouble.
GC
Read my reply to WoG. The name LORD in all caps. refers to the trinity. No Jesus no salvation.
GC
If there is a God and if it is Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, then we are already in hell.
How do you figure that, it certainly isn't biblical teaching and sense you are speaking of the God of the Bible, the Bible is the only place the answer can come from.
GC
(July 8, 2017 at 2:02 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (July 7, 2017 at 10:13 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Isaiah 45:22 (ESV) "Turn to Me and be saved all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."
Everyone counts.
Isaiah 45: 24 (ESV) "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of Me, are righteousness and strength; to Him shall come and be ashamed all who were incensed against Him."
The lost are in trouble.
GC
Read my reply to WoG. The name LORD in all caps. refers to the trinity. No Jesus no salvation.
GC
If only the Bible made reference to the Trinity . . . .
It does and in the first and third chapters of the Bible.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 5:21 pm
(July 8, 2017 at 3:19 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Thank you for actually answering my question! And, it only took 3 pages for this to happen. But, "the door" closes at death, right?
I'm not sure. The bible doesn't state specifically that your opportunity to be saved ends after death.
You might as well just believe in universalism, the idea that everyone, atheists included, will be redeemed. After all, why not?
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 5:34 pm
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(July 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 2:02 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: If only the Bible made reference to the Trinity . . . .
It does and in the first and third chapters of the Bible.
GC
It doesn't, ofc, but you interpret them as-such because you believe them to be-such. Awfully convenient, I'd say. Funny thing about magic book...errybody sees what they believe in there, even when they all collectively disagree on what's in there. -You- believe in the trinitity because the pagans who founded your religion commonly believed in triune gods...and nobody was going to stray -too- far from their favorite brand of whiskey just because one bottle was cheaper than another.
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 6:04 pm
and that's how it mutates and schisms 70,000 times . . .
God authored confusion and reaps what He sows . . .
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 6:09 pm
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(July 8, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Godscreated Wrote: It does and in the first and third chapters of the Bible.
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It doesn't, ofc, but you interpret them as-such because you believe them to be-such. Awfully convenient, I'd say. Funny thing about magic book...errybody sees what they believe in there, even when they all collectively disagree on what's in there. -You- believe in the trinitity because the pagans who founded your religion commonly believed in triune gods...and nobody was going to stray -too- far from their favorite brand of whiskey just because one bottle was cheaper than another.
And then it gets fun,
"Well the word 'trinity' isn't used in Scripture, but it's clear . . . . . . "
So the rest of us chime in:
"So why not use the terminology that's in the BIBLE then, and quit fucking confusing us with your bullshittery ?"
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 6:55 pm
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(July 8, 2017 at 5:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 3:19 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm not sure. The bible doesn't state specifically that your opportunity to be saved ends after death.
You might as well just believe in universalism, the idea that everyone, atheists included, will be redeemed. After all, why not?
It's an option, but only after an appropriate time in hell. Actually, there's a good amount of evidence in scripture to support that belief. The individual would still need to come to Christ. I'd refer to it as "universal reconciliation". Some early church fathers supported that idea.
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RE: Can a Chrisitan lose his/her salvation?
July 8, 2017 at 7:15 pm
(July 8, 2017 at 12:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So...there appears to be a bit of a disagreement. Never saw that coming. 
Maybe you guys should figure it out between yourselves, and -then- get back to us with a definitive answer? It seems like it might be an important question..more important, at least, than whether or not godman's eyes were brown or blue.
Where exactly is the disagreement? Didn't I state that unless one is part of the elect, it is possible to lose salvation?
Now if it's his position that the elect can lose salvation, then he must prove it by scripture.
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