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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 6:50 am
(July 27, 2017 at 6:40 am)ignoramus Wrote: OK.
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So we know that nature "seems" to defy logic and reason and "seems" to act in a spooky "supernatural" way. IE: double slit.
Are we as science "indoctrinated" people completely oblivious to other preposterous explanations such as godly intervention?
It sounds wrong, but we are also the first to state we don't know most things. Why are respectable science people comfortable entertaining hypotheses of an equally absurd explanation?
Sure, I think all woo is bs, but logically and only because it can't be proven to be true, no matter how absurd. No different to the double slit spooky stuff.
Scientists are more than happy to come up with their own woo and basically call it a proper hypothesis?
Why can't something like a god (not as described by the babble of course) be a missing factor to be entertained?
It would be a waste of a perfectly supernatural God if its job were "ok, I'll look at all the particle interactions in the Universe and I'll always interfere such that everything looks exactly as if it were always governed by a simple Schrödinger's equation. That'll completely confuse them."
I would expect God to delegate that menial task to some poor angel he doesn't like.
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 7:10 am
That's why lucifer signed in his resignation.
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 7:15 am
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Alex, that argument is a little circular. If we assume the possibility of a "god" then Schrödinger's equation would be viewed as the manifestation of this natural interfering (as yet unknown) entity. But we don't entertain it because .... that would be just be silly. Let's make up other absurd unfalsifiable stuff instead! 
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 7:21 am
(July 27, 2017 at 7:15 am)ignoramus Wrote: Alex, that argument is a little circular. If we assume the possibility of a "god" then Schrödinger's equation would be viewed as the manifestation of this natural interfering (as yet unknown) entity. But we don't entertain it because .... that would be just be silly. Let's make up other absurd unfalsifiable stuff instead!
I'm just saying that a personal creator God would be wasted on such a mechanical task.
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 7:27 am
(July 27, 2017 at 7:10 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: That's why lucifer signed in his resignation.
What? I am watching the news right now, 45 hasn't signed his resignation yet, I wish he would, but he hasn't yet.
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 7:31 am
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I definitely don't mean a personal god by any stretch. I mean a naturally evolved entity (think Q) who non judgingly interferes with our reality possibly without even knowing?
I'm trying to tie in a completely non "divine" and 100% natural variable into our reality which could explain some of the "spooky stuff". Not as a copout for an explanation, but as a genuine contender to explain some of the mysteries of our universe. If consciousness is tied in so inextricably as is the perceived case, maybe it's not so crazy after all.
But obviously, all traditional religious ramifications need to be thrown away real quick for this to be taken seriously by science. (sorry GC, LR)
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm
(July 26, 2017 at 11:36 pm)Alex K Wrote: The size of the entire universe is currently unknown, but there doesn't have to be a relationship with the size of the visible universe which is just a result of age+expansion it could be infinite for all we know. Or at least orders of magnitude larger than what we see. The problem I'm having with that is the idea that the universe started out roughly the size of a basketball then there occurred Einstein's singularity and it started expanding. If nothing travels faster than light then the expension of the universe would be subject to that limitation, just like if I drive at 70 miles an hour, I can't reach 120 miles from my starting point in half an hour.
It doesn't have to be problematic if we abandon the idea that what we perceive as THE universe is the result of one singularity, but consider the possibility of a multiverse or several Big Bangs. then ours could have happened 13 or so billion years ago while others occurred at various times, accounting for a visible universe that's much larger than what it should be in just the time it's had to expand. Hell, maybe it's these other universes that are moving away from us.
The fact that our universe hasn't had time to reach the size that it has, should make us look for other explanations.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (July 26, 2017 at 11:36 pm)Alex K Wrote: The size of the entire universe is currently unknown, but there doesn't have to be a relationship with the size of the visible universe which is just a result of age+expansion it could be infinite for all we know. Or at least orders of magnitude larger than what we see. The problem I'm having with that is the idea that the universe started out roughly the size of a basketball then there occurred Einstein's singularity and it started expanding. If nothing travels faster than light then the expension of the universe would be subject to that limitation, just like if I drive at 70 miles an hour, I can't reach 120 miles from my starting point in half an hour.
It doesn't have to be problematic if we abandon the idea that what we perceive as THE universe is the result of one singularity, but consider the possibility of a multiverse or several Big Bangs. then ours could have happened 13 or so billion years ago while others occurred at various times, accounting for a visible universe that's much larger than what it should be in just the time it's had to expand. Hell, maybe it's these other universes that are moving away from us.
The fact that our universe hasn't had time to reach the size that it has, should make us look for other explanations.
Again, the truth is right now we simply don't know. Humans as laypeople without aid of QM science are used to viewing the world in strictly 3d, but science HAS proven there are more dimensions than that. QM has opened the door to the possibility of parallel universes and multiple "bubble" universes. But until we can break the singularity barrier we simply don't know. But I am very comfortable with what we currently know, but that is the great thing about scientific method, it never stays complacent. I do think with every decade that passes in the future we will learn more.
It still remains also a possibility if I am correct, that this is the only universe there is. But then again, there was a time when scientists thought the galaxy was the extent of the universe, so who knows?
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 2:16 pm
Does anyone here believe in parallel universe?
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RE: How big is the universe?
July 27, 2017 at 2:16 pm
(July 27, 2017 at 2:16 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Does anyone here believe in parallel universe?
I believe it as a possibility.
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