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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 12:10 am
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(August 6, 2017 at 12:05 am)Astonished Wrote: I would have thought it would be implicit from the beginning. I mean, just because your best genes are active, doesn't mean they're going to recombine in the ideal way if you fuck someone, so I figured all reproduction would be done in that manner anyway. If you want the ideal genes, you can't trust your sperm and egg to figure that shit out on their own. So I thought it would go without saying that both the pseudo-sterility and monitored, lab-controlled gene-regulating reproduction would go without saying under that kind of system, and we'd all be better off for it.
I mean, that's basically how it was on Krypton in Man of Steel. Didn't seem very problematic.
Ish, you could..especially if the editing was expensive, seek out another identically edited person, and do this throughout generations. Basically the same way we came up with our current agricultural cultivars. At some point, you'd have a commonly expressed trait that you could reliably breed without paying for it.
I don't know that we'd be better off for it, personally....we have our history and current state of affairs in gmo's to refer to on that count, but it -would- be much more profitable.
Krypton did get blown up, right? 
(On the realz, though, the minute we've totally abandoned our own reproductive autonomy we've become livestock. Property of whomever owns the lab, whoever holds the patent. That;s not to say we won;t become better specimens on account of it, or that the owners can't manage our population better than we can. Obviously, that's what happens to livestock. Better genetics, better management.)
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 12:19 am
(August 6, 2017 at 12:10 am)Khemikal Wrote: (August 6, 2017 at 12:05 am)Astonished Wrote: I would have thought it would be implicit from the beginning. I mean, just because your best genes are active, doesn't mean they're going to recombine in the ideal way if you fuck someone, so I figured all reproduction would be done in that manner anyway. If you want the ideal genes, you can't trust your sperm and egg to figure that shit out on their own. So I thought it would go without saying that both the pseudo-sterility and monitored, lab-controlled gene-regulating reproduction would go without saying under that kind of system, and we'd all be better off for it.
I mean, that's basically how it was on Krypton in Man of Steel. Didn't seem very problematic.
Ish, you could..especially if the editing was expensive, seek out another identically edited person, and do this throughout generations. Basically the same way we came up with our current agricultural cultivars. At some point, you'd have a commonly expressed trait that you could reliably breed without paying for it.
I don't know that we'd be better off for it, personally....we have our history and current state of affairs in gmo's to refer to on that count, but it -would- be much more profitable.
Krypton did get blown up, right?
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Remember my caveat, this has to be available to everyone no matter what difference, no discrimination permitted. So your initial objection doesn't make sense under that light (yes, I am aware it's unrealistic, but I wouldn't be in favor of it otherwise). You can't count on the same genes to combine in the same way without regulation, there's mutation, other parts of the genome that are inactive or just do nothing that might start having an effect in light of these new alterations. What if you wanted something different, or better, and that could only be gotten by a new advancement found in the labs? There's just no advantage to the 'old-fashioned way'. By all means, fuck all you want, no one would be getting any STD's of any significant harm nor having kids without being authorized (because you'd have to assume there would be a way of regulating who gets to have kids, like people who've passed child-rearing courses. While we're in the process of perfecting our newborns' DNA, no sense in not also perfecting the way they're raised.
Again, this hypothetical assumes we've got our shit covered and the enhancements (the ones done in the lab, not the ones that would occur from unassisted sexual reproduction) don't have the liabilities you're describing. Under that assumption, yes, we'd be vastly better off.
Krypton's blowing up had nothing to do with their biological revolution.
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 12:27 am
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What if you buy your kid that is a version 1.0 but after 2 years they release version 2.0?
Will you
a) sell your kid on ebay
b) ship your kid to the company for software updation
c) throw your kid out and just get the newer better model
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 2:09 am
Is the kid still tender and delicious ?
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 3:24 am
(August 6, 2017 at 12:27 am)pool the matey Wrote: What if you buy your kid that is a version 1.0 but after 2 years they release version 2.0?
Will you
a) sell your kid on ebay
b) ship your kid to the company for software updation
c) throw your kid out and just get the newer better model
d) get a new, better kid but keep the old one - for spare parts.
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 5:31 am
What's not to love about designer babies?
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 6:32 am
(August 6, 2017 at 3:24 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (August 6, 2017 at 12:27 am)pool the matey Wrote: What if you buy your kid that is a version 1.0 but after 2 years they release version 2.0?
Will you
a) sell your kid on ebay
b) ship your kid to the company for software updation
c) throw your kid out and just get the newer better model
d) get a new, better kid but keep the old one - for spare parts.
..or extra parts babies with 4 arms will be trending in the future
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 7:36 am
I'm in favor of the attempt to eliminate disease. Beyond that I don't have much of an opinion, yet.
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 7:49 am
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All I can think of is, we have purebred dogs that are more likely to have health problems than mutts, because desirable traits cause problems down the road. So what makes us think it will work better with Humans than it does dogs?
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RE: Eugenics/Designer-babies... is the concept really that bad?
August 6, 2017 at 8:59 am
Ummmm. . . Baby Wars will bring a new meaning to "survival of the fittest." Who wouldn't support that!?
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