The undeniable miracle at Fatima

[Mr.wizard]

Even if you could prove that the sun moved, what evidence would you have that there is a god and he is the one moving it? Also if you are a person who believes that this actually happened and that it was god, don't you have to ask yourself why? Why would god choose to move the sun for a group of people instead of performing a useful miracle, like ending disease, ending evil, ending poverty, or feeding the hungry?

[Astonished]

Even if you could prove that the sun moved, what evidence would you have that there is a god and he is the one moving it? Also if you are a person who believes that this actually happened and that it was god, don't you have to ask yourself why? Why would god choose to move the sun for a group of people instead of performing a useful miracle, like ending disease, ending evil, ending poverty, or feeding the hungry?

Or writing a blatantly obvious message in legible script in the sky? Frankly, I would fucking LOVE to have photographic evidence of it, and still hear all the dipshit theists who were 'there' claim it said something entirely different.

[chimp3]

Anyone that stares at the sun for even a short time will see weird stuff. I do not advise it but if you insist go ahead and try it.

[LastPoet]

Anyone that stares at the sun for even a short time will see weird stuff. I do not advise it but if you insist go ahead and try it.

I was born here and know my land tightly. I know portugal ain't that big, but I know the place I was brough to live, intimately so the people that live in it.

all that it would took would be a rainbow to make those willing to believe, think of a miracle.

The 3 little shepherds... the two younger ones died of desease (so much for god helping messengers) the older bitch went to a nunnery and made shit as she went.

The only "miracles" around are the natural caves in the area. better spent time than throwing entire candles in a fire because uou made a promise to god.

It is silly beyond comprehension.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well I like Jesus so I'm not an atheist, but I'd need to know more about the incident, namely-
1- How many times did the kids meet the entity, or were they in jail?
2- Did the entity just tell them about the forthcoming miracle, or did it also tell them lots of other things like "secrets" etc?

You do realize that "liking jesus" has nothing to do with whether or not a person is an atheist.....right?

An atheist can answer the -do you like jesus- q in the yay or nay. Plenty of atheists, culturally christians, view the NT in a sympathetic light.  

1- Zero times.
2- No one told them anything.

[pabsta]

Also, the wet clothes suddenly drying part... ever been in Wyoming, Montana, or Idaho in the summer?  It gets hot (easily above 90F in some places), but it's also dry.  It doesn't take long for wet clothes to dry, even if they're soaked.

I don't know what Fatima's weather is usually like, but even here in muggy NH we get hot but dry days in late summer/early autumn.  In fact, early-to-mid October is when our 'Indian Summer' (a stretch (4-7) of warm/hot days following the first frost of the year) occurs.

Finally, there's a meteorological phenomenon known as a 'sun dog' (parhelion, which Last Poet referred to... see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog) that very much aligns with the story.

The temperature inside a clothes dryer on high is 135°. Ever put soaking wet clothes in the dryer without wringing them out? It would take over an hour to dry them at a 135°. Testimonials from Fatima state all their clothes were dried within 10 min. So your argument doesn't hold.

[downbeatplumb]

Also, the wet clothes suddenly drying part... ever been in Wyoming, Montana, or Idaho in the summer?  It gets hot (easily above 90F in some places), but it's also dry.  It doesn't take long for wet clothes to dry, even if they're soaked.

I don't know what Fatima's weather is usually like, but even here in muggy NH we get hot but dry days in late summer/early autumn.  In fact, early-to-mid October is when our 'Indian Summer' (a stretch (4-7) of warm/hot days following the first frost of the year) occurs.

Finally, there's a meteorological phenomenon known as a 'sun dog' (parhelion, which Last Poet referred to... see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog) that very much aligns with the story.

The temperature inside a clothes dryer on high is 135°. Ever put soaking wet clothes in the dryer without wringing them out? It would take over an hour to dry them at a 135°. Testimonials from Fatima state all their clothes were dried within 10 min. So your argument doesn't hold.

I was in Greece it rained then the sun came out I was dry almost straight away, So your argument does not hold.

[pabsta]

 
First of all, not all events in this world leave behind physical evidence. If I shined a bright light in your face yesterday, there is no physical evidence of it today.

But we're not talking about having a light shone in my face, are we? You're seriously proposing a star whizzing around off its axis. Whereas the counter-proposal is somewhere between delusion and hoax. Given the known propensity for people to lie, exaggerate and/or simply need to believe, multiplied by the also-known desperation for the church - especially the Catholic church - for a good money-spinning headline grabber in order to appear relevant, and then balanced against the sheer impossibility of the story as related... Well, which is more plausible?

The point is not all events in this world leave behind physical evidence. If the sun did something strange, you're not necessarily going to find
 physical evidence the following day.
 
As for people lying, there were 70,000 people watching there that day, most of did not know each other, and many came to disprove that a miracle would occur. The disbelievers left as believers. So this argument doesn't hold.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why would it matter whether or not all events leave physical evidence, since we're not talking about an event in the first place? You believe a story told, unsurprising..you believe in alot of silly stories. This is just another one added to the pile.

[downbeatplumb]

The point is not all events in this world leave behind physical evidence. If the sun did something strange, you're not necessarily going to find
 physical evidence the following day.
 
As for people lying, there were 70,000 people watching there that day, most of did not know each other, and many came to disprove that a miracle would occur. The disbelievers left as believers. So this argument doesn't hold.

I see you are going to believe in this shit no matter what evidence is said to the contrary, you are a lost cause so addicted to the lies that you totally believe that nothing will dissuade you from believing them.

There are a lot of people like you.

Deluded and loving it.