I'm really getting the hang of FL Studio!

[The Grand Nudger]

-I only suggested it as a time saver to constantly dicking around clueless in FL studios piano roll.  

I have preset channels that limit the roll to scales and preset patterns for progression - it just makes it alot faster to put together when you know what you want something to sound like and you know how to make those sounds, is all. I spend alot of time fucking around too....just, different uses for different things is all.

[paulpablo]

I know the minor scale, putting major scales and chords to use has always been my downfall, happy music is always something I've neglected.

Beyond that I know how to generate a few different feels from what I learned playing the guitar.

Sharpen the 5th and you get the sweet dreams/crazy train riff sort of sound.

Go from flattened 5th to the 5th then to a sharpened 5th and you get a James Bond theme sort of feel.

Go from a flattened root note to the root note and it can kind of adds suspense in a classical sort of Italian godfather sounding way.

These terms and expressions obviously aren't official music theory they might only mean something to me.

I really envy people who known music theory well enough to go seemlessly from happy to sad to ambiguous.

Speaking about fl studio I kind of want to get back into it again. I never mastered the ducking technique which according to a few different YouTube tutorial can be important in modern music.

[Edwardo Piet]

Which is going a step down a scale. And nobody said that you can only go up and down a scale one step at a time. Changing from C3 to F3 is going a perfect fourth up a scale, B4 to D4 is going a major third down a scale, and so forth. So yes - all melody is going up and down one scale or another, by varied intervals.'

But that's not what I meant when I said what I said. What I was talking about is reading about it and it appearing to be talking about merely going up and down scales in a predictable way (meaning very uninspiring melodies would come out of it), that's what I meant.

"It has been known"? Source, please. And even if that's true - training has been known to cause a lot of injuries; that doesn't mean that people who don't train are better sportsmen. Sure, the less you know about what you're doing - the less self-conscious you are about it, so it feels better for you. The more you learn -
the more you realize how much more there is yet to know, which can be discouraging. It's just Dunning-Kruger effect at work.

Um, dude, I didn't make a thread here for you to debate me on my personal opinions and music taste. I just made a music thread and expressed some opinions, I'm not here to debate, there's nothing to debate. It's not a source I am interested in remembering, there are several sources and it's something I recognize and understand without anyone else stating it. My favorite musicians never learned any theory and I'm not particularly interested in learning any theory either. That's a personal choice, I'm simply not interested at the moment. I repeat, it's a personal choice, it's not up for debate. For you to ask for my source and speak of the "Dunning-Kruger" effect when we're talking about personal tastes and something I do merely for pleasure here, that's just fucking silly.

How do you know your favorite musicians didn't learn any theory? I am self taught, I taught myself a lot of theory - and am continuing to do so.

Um, because they said so? For example, Steven Wilson has said "Don't ask me about chords because I have no idea." for example.

Nobody's saying you must learn music theory, especially when you're making music as a hobby, but I'm not sure why you feel the need to present ignorance as a virtue.

I'm not presenting it as a "virtue" I'm presenting it as a personal preference. I'm not interesting in theory at least at this point.

But the rest of us need to learn and hone our craft, if we want our efforts to be appealing to an audience.

Which I'm not trying to do now am I? (I'm definitely not interested in craftsmanship I'm interested in music from the heart) I'm just making sounds I like and sharing it with people.

I think it's really silly to come here debating me on this. That's just pointless. There's nothing to debate. I'm simply, personally, not interested.

[The Industrial Atheist]

You don't have to be predictable. There are things like appogiaturas (sp?) and inversions.

[Edwardo Piet]

Yeah. I am just sure that when reading the basics it takes a LONG while to actually get to the good stuff.

I kind of taught myself to arpregiate and invert, lol.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nah, I thought so too, for the longest.  The "good shit" is right there, right at the start.  Like 90% of anything you've -ever- heard..even stuff you think just has to be complicated and different..it really isn't. Just dive in bud, I'm telling you you'll be happy you spent the time.  

It's not much different from having a color wheel, if you like to paint.

[Edwardo Piet]

Well the lessons I've seen have been shit because they talk about chords and what they're called.... who cares what they're called? I obviously haven't seen any very good lessons because what I've seen spends forever going about stuff I don't need to know. Just get to the point.

[The Industrial Atheist]

I know a major 3rd from a minor 3rd but I don't care much about that. For me it's where they are in the scale and how I use them in a progression.

[Homeless Nutter]

But that's not what I meant when I said what I said. What I was talking about is reading about it and it appearing to be talking about merely going up and down scales in a predictable way (meaning very uninspiring melodies would come out of it), that's what I meant.

Not sure what your point is. How "inspiring" the melodies are is up to you. There's nothing about knowing scales, that forces you to "go up and down in a predictable way". Perhaps you should have read on...

Um, dude, I didn't make a thread here for you to debate me on my personal opinions and music taste. I just made a music thread and expressed some opinions,

And I expressed some opinions of my own. I fail to understand why it should ruffle your feathers, this being a discussion forum and all...

I'm not here to debate, there's nothing to debate. It's not a source I am interested in remembering, there are several sources and it's something I recognize and understand without anyone else stating it. My favorite musicians never learned any theory and I'm not particularly interested in learning any theory either. That's a personal choice, I'm simply not interested at the moment. I repeat, it's a personal choice, it's not up for debate. For you to ask for my source and speak of the "Dunning-Kruger" effect when we're talking about personal tastes and something I do merely for pleasure here, that's just fucking silly.

I don't see anything silly about applying Dunning-Kruger here. I understand you're getting defensive, because you've come to associate Dunning-Kruger effect with insults thrown at creationists, but it's something that applies to everyone in one way or another. You don't know how little you know about something, until you've learned quite a lot about that very thing. And without knowing all the options you have - it's much easier to feel satisfied with your choices.

How do you know your favorite musicians didn't learn any theory? I am self taught, I taught myself a lot of theory - and am continuing to do so.

Um, because they said so? For example, Steven Wilson has said "Don't ask me about chords because I have no idea." for example.

Maybe he's a genius. I don't know who he is. Or maybe he's a DJ. F*ck DJs... However - you do realize, that music theory is not just chords, right?

I'm not presenting it as a "virtue" I'm presenting it as a personal preference.
I'm not interesting in theory at least at this point.

You must think there is some sort of virtue in ignorance, if you willfully choose it, as you say. Unless you're just trying to say it's too much effort and you can't be bothered - which is fair enough and I don't understand why you can't just come out and say that, instead of rationalizing it.

For example - I know next to nothing about fashion. Could I benefit from knowing how to dress in an attractive manner? Sure. Can I be bothered to learn? F*ck, no. But I'm not going to dismissively say, that I'm not interested in it, because people, who look most attractive to me - are naked...

But the rest of us need to learn and hone our craft, if we want our efforts to be appealing to an audience.

Which I'm not trying to do now am I? (I'm definitely not interested in craftsmanship I'm interested in music from the heart) I'm just making sounds I like and sharing it with people.

That's pretty much what making music is. People you share your sounds with - they're your audience. And without adequate craftsmanship, the music coming "from your heart" is severely impaired by your limitations, before it can reach the listener. 

I think it's really silly to come here debating me on this. That's just pointless. There's nothing to debate. I'm simply, personally, not interested.

Why is it silly? It's a discussion forum. You presented an opinion - I presented an opinion to the contrary. If that's "pointless", then why are we here?

[Edwardo Piet]

Petty bullshit like this coming to threads is the primary reason AF just isn't the same anymore for me.

Why is it silly? It's a discussion forum. You presented an opinion - I presented an opinion to the contrary. If that's "pointless", then why are we here?

To discuss the music I posted on this thread. Something you haven't done at all here yet. You haven't been on topic one bit. Someone suggested I learn music theory, I said why I didn't want to and you used that as an excuse to jump in and try and debate me about that which I've made very clear I'm not interested in doing. And still you push your petty Dunning-Kruger bullshit (you don't even understand what it is) at me. I would have to think I was skilled at something because I didn't know better for Dunning-Kruger to apply to me. I don't think I'm "skilled" at anything, I make music for pleasure, and your assumptions about what I do and don't do makes me think that it applies to you, if anything. How about you actually discuss the music I made on the thread? If you want to be on topic. Instead of butting in and being petty. Throwing Dunning-Kruger at me, really? That's a cognitive bias that suggests a person suffers from illusory superiority and feels that they are more skilled than they are because they are ignorant about their own shortcomings. To throw that at me is ridiculous, nowhere have I suggested I feel or think I am superior or skilled, and your throwing that at me on a thread that's supposed to be about discussing my music says a lot more about you than it does about me.