Are white supremacist's being arrested for just being white supremacist's?
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Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?
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RE: Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?
September 4, 2017 at 9:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2017 at 9:41 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(September 4, 2017 at 2:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(September 4, 2017 at 2:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I stand up against any political violence, no matter the perpetrators. We're definitely in agreement here. It's my opinion that the right to free speech was emplaced here in America not to protect popular speech, but unpopular speech; and I will support that, even though it means my donations to the ACLU go to defend the rights of people whose views I regard as anathema. Once you've picked up arms to silence speech either by threat or by snuffing out the speaker, I will speak out against you, no matter your political persuasion. That has been the case with some Americans. Some have acted to silence free speech through violence or its threat. The torchlight parade was such a threat, which resulted in a death the next day. They can surely march, but they don't have the right to be free of disagreement, and the certainly do not have the right to quell disagreement with violence. These people are terrified of words for a reason. (September 4, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That has been the case with some Americans. Some have acted to silence free speech through violence or its threat. The torchlight parade was such a threat, which resulted in a death the next day. They can surely march, but they don't have the right to be free of disagreement, and the certainly do not have the right to quell disagreement with violence.^ Absolutely. I despise those fuckers. They're immature, willfully ignorant, and they are by far on the wrong side of history. BUT they are a group of individuals, and I will tend to treat them as individuals first and as group members second: that means no matter what I think of the group, I'd extend all the privileges of citizenship to each, including those of free speech and in the US the right to bear arms. I still don't know whether the torchlight parade constituted a threat-- I don't know what was shouted, what was actually done. I wouldn't put it past white supremacists to break the law, but I haven't actually seen video of that from Charlottesville. RE: Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?
September 4, 2017 at 10:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2017 at 10:16 pm by Amarok.)
So again your ignorant despite all the evidence I put up proving they are violent ideology /movement lead by violent criminals .
The Liberal myth of free speech https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/ "Defending the free speech of fascists is an action which prioritizes the mythology of a state with no regard for such rights in practice over the very real and tangible suffering of those whom fascists seek to destroy. Fascists who kill are violent, as are fascists who celebrate violence committed by their kind, as is a fascist holding a sign minding their own business. Those who quietly advocate ethnic cleansing are admitting outright that the only thing preventing their direct involvement and endorsement of mass murder in the present moment is an insufficient power base. Every single fascist will become a violent fascist when given the numbers and strength to act with impunity. Liberals who ‘play by the rules’ are directly complicit in allowing these devastating consequences to come to fruition. Obsessing over the legality of your own activism is setting yourself up for defeat when facing opponents with no regard for such constructs. We will only win this fight if we are willing to take a page from the playbook of our enemies. Fascists and the state alike are never shy about doing what is necessary to propagate themselves. They will ignore the rule of law, the value of human life, and the cognitive dissonance of their own actions at the drop of a hat so long as doing so allows for their continued existence. I would argue that our fight is much more important. We are not fighting for the continued existence of a self-serving power structure, but rather for the continued existence of our friends and neighbors. Their lives, and our lives, are at stake, as is the dream of a world in which all people can feel accepted. A polite, peaceful fascist is a snake waiting to bite the hand that coddles it. Any liberals who champion the rights of Nazis should enjoy the high of perceived moral superiority while it lasts. When it’s you that the snake bites, you’ll probably just be left wishing you crushed its head when you had the chance. "
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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September 4, 2017 at 11:08 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2017 at 12:18 am by bennyboy.)
Tiz, your ignorance is the exact perfect example which shows why we must adhere to rule of law and not to mob justice. You've quoted fearful rhetoric in an attempt to bypass the entire history of the constitution and jurisprudence. You are justifying lawlessness because you are afraid of lawlessness.
Here's how you can tell that YOU are bordering on fucking fascism. Replace "Fascist" with "Dirty Jew" and it still reads. How do you not recognize that this is the exact kind of rhetoric which leads to genocide and to dictatorship? It's important to avoid the kind of cowardice you are quoting-- we have to be the good guys, or there will be no good guys. By the way, if you want to accuse someone of ignorance, you might want to learn the difference between "your" and "you're." Yore not really making a great case for you're self.
Nope the total opposite
1. Nope I have quoted reality .In an attempt to prove the fact that the law will not stop those who when in charge will have no regard for it. I am justifying winning rather then letting facists win . 2. Except there is no comparison between Jews and Facists .Ones a Religion the Others a hate movement/ Genocidal political idea so they don't even compare. 3. Nope it's important to avoid the wishy washy nonsense your spewing . Or we will be spewing it behind barbed wire . 4. Evil wins when good rolls over . And any good that harbors or defends evil is not good. 5. You say it's cowardly to stand up to Facists and fight them in the streets . No I call you and you ilk the cowards for pawning the job off to someone else. And do nothing further when they fail. 6. I'm ignorant you have not even bothered to learn what they were chanting (even thou I posted what they were chanting)
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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September 5, 2017 at 12:16 am
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2017 at 12:17 am by bennyboy.)
(September 4, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. Nope I have quoted reality .In an attempt to prove the fact that the law will not stop those who when in charge will have no regard for it. I am justifying winning rather then letting facists win .What's the prize for winning? You get to decide who is or isn't okay and suspend the rule of law? How is that any different than what you claim they do? Do you think hypocrisy merits praise? Quote:2. Except there is no comparison between Jews and Facists .Ones a Religion the Others a hate movement/ Genocidal political idea so they don't even compare.You missed the point. You are endorsing the same kind of rhetoric that the Nazis used: fear-mongering, us-vs-them, "we will win at all costs." Quote:3. Nope it's important to avoid the wishy washy nonsense your spewing . Or we will be spewing it behind barbed wire .If by "wishy washy nonsense," you mean a basic understanding of the value of free speech and of the constitution of the US, then I guess so. Funny word for it, though. Quote:4. Evil wins when good rolls over . And any good that harbors or defends evil is not good.Here's what you don't understand. Intolerance in place of rule of law IS rolling over. Your lack of a backbone in the face of opposition makes you what you claim to hate. It's really simple-- ALL citizens are extended the full privileges of citizenship, until each individually demonstrates that he is not willing to abide by the rules of the land. Quote:5. You say it's cowardly to stand up to Facists and fight them in the streets . No I call you and you ilk the cowards for pawning the job off to someone else. And do nothing further when they fail.If by standing up to Fascists, you mean lumping everyone who doesn't agree with you into a group, demonizing them, and then refusing them to include them under the umbrella of the protections and freedoms offered by the constitution of the United States of America, then I suppose you're doing a fine job. Again, though, funny words to use. Quote:6. I'm ignorant you have not even bothered to learn what they were chanting (even thou I posted what they were chanting)If anyone of them is guilty of hate crimes, he should be brought be for a judge, found guilty, and imprisoned. RE: Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?
September 5, 2017 at 1:22 am
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2017 at 1:31 am by Amarok.)
A play it by the rules liberal person (like Benny ) is like a man who chooses to fight a man in full plate((the facists) with his arms tied behind his back . Stands just where his opponent wants him to and only makes moves his opponent can counter .Because it's noble. And dies
A man like myself says fuck that . Brings a gun with armour piercing rounds and strikes out of the armored mans reach . And wins . And already pointed out in the bajillion links I posted why none of that has worked with real life freaking examples of it not working . Just because you choose to ignore it does not make it go away .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb (September 4, 2017 at 10:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(September 4, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That has been the case with some Americans. Some have acted to silence free speech through violence or its threat. The torchlight parade was such a threat, which resulted in a death the next day. They can surely march, but they don't have the right to be free of disagreement, and the certainly do not have the right to quell disagreement with violence.^ I agree that pasting the onus of one's crime against an entire group is horseshit. The threat that I see is not criminal, but rather, sociopolitical. I don't see that anyone marching in those parades is breaking any laws, so long as all they're doing is marching, and I would defend their rights too -- because so long as they're not hurting people, a simple march, odious though it may be, is only the right to free speech and free assembly being exercised. I have seen video of one supremacist breaking the law -- driving his car into counterprotesters -- and he is being prosecuted. Good. RE: Did Charlottesvilel mean anything?
September 5, 2017 at 2:58 am
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2017 at 3:29 am by Amarok.)
https://itsgoingdown.org/how-cops-let-ne...walk-away/
Quote:Since the rise of Trump, official reluctance to arrest or prosecute white nationalists, even when publicly inflicting life-threatening violence on activists of color, has become increasingly open leading up to Inauguration Day, when a fascist shot an anarchist in Seattle, and the pogrom-like Tax Day events facilitated by the Berkeley police. While the Oath Keepers militia went to Ferguson in 2015 to support police, in 2017 it seems that the cops are falling over themselves to support fascists, showing blatant favoritism that signals permission to do whatever horrible shit they can.Yup totally trust the legal system Quote:What if things had gone differently? What if we had done as the mayor recommended and stayed away from Emancipation Park, so as not to “feed into a cycle of violence”? What if the rally had proceeded as planned? What if Nazis and white supremacists had been able to build momentum into the night? Based on what I saw Friday and Saturday, there is no doubt in my mind what would have happened next: they would have terrorized the city of Charlottesville. They would have left their leadership a degree of plausible deniability, broken into smaller groups, and killed and injured any number of people in decentralized locations throughout the city. It was to be their Kristallnacht, their burning cross, their triumphant return.https://itsgoingdown.org/fought-charlott...ers-ahead/ https://itsgoingdown.org/richard-spencer...tance-kkk/ Richard Spencers encouraging his followers to use the tactics as Tim Mcveigh. Yup just like the Jews. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...ville.html Quote:Brandy DanielsYup just like the Jews . Nope hate movement to be found here . Yup the cops were totally useful Quote:Rabbi Rachel SchmelkinYup i'm sure this Rabbi feels so much kinship with the Alt Right Quote:Rebekah MenningYup just wielding torches Quote:Rev. Seth WispelweyYup no terror spree just peaceful hippies and not a violent hate group Quote:Rev. Seth WispelweyJust like Teh Jews
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