Tell Me Once More Progressives That Hillary and the WLB are "The Same"

[FFaith]

We need new blood in 2020 without the baggage of either. 4 years is bad enough, 8 years of 45 will take an entire generation to undo.

The donors have already chosen brown Hillary, Kamala Harris, as their candidate. I think the idea is that she lacks baggage and will be liked by people of colour, whereas Hillary messed that up with her feud with Obama, putting out that picture and shaming Obama for being a brown skinned "towel head" in pictures from his past, being in support of policies that led to the mass incarceration of blacks, etc. Progressives have been awoken though, and Hillary's donors "choosing" and backing brown Hillary, Kamala Harris, is plenty enough baggage to sink her, that is, if the most popular politician in the country, Bernie, decides to run. What baggage does Bernie have? Some don't like his religious or lack of religious beliefs? Some think he's a sexist? He's a white f'n hetero male? I don't see too much baggage there.

[Divinity]

Bernie is too fucking old to run in 2020.

I'm tempted to refuse to vote for him just to piss off the Bernie-Bros if he DID run. Just to show that it works both fucking ways. But I'm not a stupid piece of shit who whines when I don't get my way. Which is why I'm only TEMPTED.

[Brian37]

We need new blood in 2020 without the baggage of either. 4 years is bad enough, 8 years of 45 will take an entire generation to undo.

The donors have already chosen brown Hillary, Kamala Harris, as their candidate. I think the idea is that she lacks baggage and will be liked by people of colour, whereas Hillary messed that up with her feud with Obama, putting out that picture and shaming Obama for being a brown skinned "towel head" in pictures from his past, being in support of policies that led to the mass incarceration of blacks, etc. Progressives have been awoken though, and Hillary's donors "choosing" and backing brown Hillary, Kamala Harris, is plenty enough baggage to sink her, that is, if the most popular politician in the country, Bernie, decides to run. What baggage does Bernie have? Some don't like his religious or lack of religious beliefs? Some think he's a sexist? He's a white f'n hetero male? I don't see too much baggage there.

I fucking hope not. Hillary has no chance as much as I think she'd be a great president. Too many swing voters don't like her. My younger sister is a liberal and she sat out. Bernie runs again the Hillary scorchers will sit out. 

I am dead serious, it will be 8 years for 45 if either Hillary or Bernie run again. Even worse if both run again.


I could give a shit less what the big doners want, the voters should want new blood. 

I think Michelle or even Cobert would have wide swing state appeal. But no, I think it will be death if Hillary or Bernie win the nomination in 2020. I've seen way too much infighting between their respective supporters camps and that bitterness isn't going away.

[FFaith]

Bernie is too fucking old to run in 2020.  

I'm tempted to refuse to vote for him just to piss off the Bernie-Bros if he DID run.  Just to show that it works both fucking ways.  But I'm not a stupid piece of shit who whines when I don't get my way.  Which is why I'm only TEMPTED.

Bernie's brother who talks to him every week seems to think it's extremely likely that he'll run in 2020. We'll see how Bernie's health is at that time.

I'd think not whining when things don't go your way would look like something other than calling people pieces of shit because they didn't feel like voting for the candidate who was backed by Mitt Romney and one of the most evil families in the US in a while, the Bush family. Someone like Dr. Cornell West is not a piece of shit because he decided to leave the plantation and actually try to put some pressure on the more mainstream candidates to actually do something for blacks in the future. If they want the vote of people like him, they're going to have to actually earn it.

[Divinity]

That Hillary was backed by Romney and Bush says more about how bad Trump is than anything about Hillary at all. But whatever suits you're fucking narrative, right?

I'll gladly take the woman who doesn't support discriminating against LGBT, who doesn't want rapists running free on campus, and who will actually exude competence.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hillary was supported by Bush. Trump was supported by David Duke. If who supports a candidate matters (and I think it's almost irrelevant), we can move on to the next point.

[JackRussell]

Why are some Americans so scared of the tiny amount of people that are transgender? I guess it give the jews and arabs a bit of a break though.

[FFaith]

That Hillary was backed by Romney and Bush says more about how bad Trump is than anything about Hillary at all.  But whatever suits you're fucking narrative, right?

I'll gladly take the woman who doesn't support discriminating against LGBT, who doesn't want rapists running free on campus, and who will actually exude competence.

I don't think less of anyone whether they voted for Hillary or Stein. I understand going either way, so I'm fine with any Hillary vote.

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Hillary was supported by Bush. Trump was supported by David Duke. If who supports a candidate matters (and I think it's almost irrelevant), we can move on to the next point.

Bush did kill over a million people while torturing others and bringing in the era of mass surveillance, while David Duke would have endorsed whatever Republican was on top, no matter what. Not trying to downplay how bad David Duke is, but I think you're giving Bush a bit of a pass. There aren't too many people alive more evil than that man. If David Duke had dictatorial power, sure, he could be worse. I understand that, but Bush was still pretty darn bad and has had a much bigger impact on the world.

My point was mainly to show that deciding who is a "stupid piece of shit" based on how they voted is dumb, in my opinion. Dr. Cornell West, a Stein voter, is certainly not stupid and as far as we know, he doesn't seem to be a piece of shit either. Bush and Romney on the other hand, are massive pieces of shit. Romney is not exactly stupid, but Bush is. That was my only real point there. That I think it's silly to go around calling everyone who doesn't vote the same way you do a piece of shit, but at the same time, I do understand the frustration that people feel with having such a clown as President. I'll even go as far as saying that maybe the Hillary voters are right that 3rd party voters waste their vote, and only time will tell if that's the case, but I completely understand people like Dr. Cornell West that want to try and see what can happen, rather than folding and giving up on improvements to their communities without a fight.

[Minimalist]

Last night on Real Time, Bill and Barney Frank discuss the snowflakes.

That segment starts at the 4:38 mark if you don't want to listen to them trash the GOP attempts to strip health care from Americans.

[Homeless Nutter]