Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil.

[Nay_Sayer]

I dunno if the thought crossed your mind, but an atheist does not believe in gods. There are homophobic atheists too, altough, the former can't really explain their desires without a religion. Heh, IRL, I had much more dudes hitting on me than women *srugs*. Never had a woman hitting on me ever.

Here's the difference: I always say I'm not trying to convert you; neither am I playing "missionary games" to trick you into my faith.
Though; I try my best to remind with what I can; warn in the context of my faith as I can.

When I read certain verses in the Quran; but I rarely see them being used, and instead hideous;sexist text are being used; I have to contribute with something.
It's not a phobia; but it's what certain incidents strike your psychological state over a period of time that make us lust for the same gender.

It's not evil; but it's everything except normal. Really there are no genetics responsible, not even evolutionary lin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual...psychology

Prior to and throughout most of the 20th century, common standard psychology viewed homosexuality in terms of pathological models as a mental illness. That classification began to be tested in research, which hasn't produced strong empirical evidence regarding homosexuality as a disorder. A large number of professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences, "sit on the fence" regarding the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder. In more recent years many have claimed the conclusion as accurate, and that the DSM classification reflected tested assumptions that were based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from "official" samples which consisted of patients seeking therapy and individuals whose conduct brought them into the criminal justice system.[1]

I believe it's a mental disorder, a state you get if your mom was like "Nero's mother", or your school was "religious hellhole that prevent boys from seeing girls",

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or if your private parts were let's say circumcised ; and you looked feminine...and tried prostate cumming once or twice and you got hooked on T-porn

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It's a mental Disorder. Transexual porn is the ultimate evidence for me, because it makes men be women to some extent; keeping "both worlds intact". It's a sickness that I saw getting manufactured in the Wahhabi schools of Saudi Arabia, with the iron hand they forced on students in regards of interaction with women.

And from what I hear; women too got into lesbianism in SA. In huge numbers.
Ask the 90s generation.

The more you dwell into the act; the more you give in, the more you become gay; the more you enjoy it.

So what your saying is you enjoy gay porn but you cum buckets to tranny porn.

I myself like to dabble in a bit of everything.

[WinterHold]

So what your saying is you enjoy gay porn but you cum buckets to tranny porn.

I myself like to dabble in a bit of everything.

No. I'm saying that your brain contains a chemical produced when you orgasm.
If you orgasm on men a lot, the chemical fires in your head once you see a man you like; and fires less when you see a woman.

While if mating between men and women was more easy, problems like these won't happen.
Nerves would make networks that get the dopamine fired with the ladies. And the ladies would have networks firing with men.

When you fuck with that system; you get me.

Or..she?

[Nay_Sayer]

So what your saying is you enjoy gay porn but you cum buckets to tranny porn.

I myself like to dabble in a bit of everything.

No. I'm saying that I like bondage gay porn and that I just don't understand tranny, it confuses my penis.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Cyberman]

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

[WinterHold]

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

Sexuality has a very strong effect on how the brain works, especially for a kid just hitting puberty. The hormones start to work; and almost all of us remember our first days when we had our first wet dreams. I think a certain type of interaction is the key to grow somebody to favor homosexuality or heterosexuality. Hard-Wired brains just seem to fail as an explanation.

[Cyberman]

It's still far more than simply ejaculating. Otherwise how would a 'straight' person get the inclination to "indulge" in sex with someone owning similar genitalia in order to "become gay"?

[Joods]

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

Sexuality has a very strong effect on how the brain works, especially for a kid just hitting puberty. The hormones start to work; and almost all of us remember our first days when we had our first wet dreams. I think a certain type of interaction is the key to grow somebody to favor homosexuality or heterosexuality. Hard-Wired brains just seem to fail as an explanation.

Not buying it. My gaydar is strong and I knew my son was gay long before he ever came out and told us. He has mannerisms indicative of being gay and he doesn't like girls, despite being around them all his life. Just because you were kept from females for the vast majority of your childhood doesn't mean you get to use that as an excuse for being gay or how ever you choose to identify yourself as. 

I think what it is, you are out of excuses and simply cannot or will not admit that being gay isn't what you think it is and most certainly isn't a choice. No matter how much you want to think you can fool your brain into no longer being gay - it doesn't work that way. 

This argument is getting tiresome. I think I'll just agree to disagree with you on the actual facts and move on because this thread has become redundant and pitiful.

[WinterHold]

It's still far more than simply ejaculating. Otherwise how would a 'straight' person get the inclination to "indulge" in sex with someone owning similar genitalia in order to "become gay"?

Neuron connections in the brain:

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/19/5...in-learns/

2. Practice leads to stronger connections in the brain
When it comes to creating stronger, faster connections in the brain, practicing the skill or information that you wish to fully master is essential. This is because regular practice — whether it involves reading a history textbook, listening to a science podcast or solving a calculus problem — causes your dendrites to grow thicker and to coat themselves with a fatty layer. With enough practice, these thickened brain fibers will eventually form double connections to one another.
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When this occurs, signals carrying information can travel faster to and from different parts of your brain. The fatty coating on brain fibers also speeds up your brain’s ability to process information. Brain fibers with double connections are very strong and enduring. Thus, continually practicing a given skill to acquire information or ability can help solidify that information or ability in your brain more permanently.

I think watching porn and having sex and even just looking, are all practices that reinforce the prior connections in the brain.
So a hetrosexual simply didn't go through the same experiences, that result in forming new connections that ease lusting for the same gender.
While a homosexual got their brain wired to support homosexuality or lesbianism.
Bisexuals -like me- have both connections. I can track my lusting over females from watching women in Saudi malls; and usually seeing nothing but their legs and feet. So I grew this fetish very strongly. I'm sorry if you find it weird. But really; if a woman is wearing shoes, it's a huge turn off for me. That's a whole network built inside my brain; and to erase it science has to invent something to override brain neuron networks and memory.

The more you practice or exercise, the more you get better at what you do.  Neurons; I would say. No wonder God said in the Quran:

( 32 )   And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others. For men is a share of what they have earned, and for women is a share of what they have earned. And ask Allah of his bounty. Indeed Allah is ever, of all things, Knowing.

[emjay]

Emjay:

Yeah, hammy pointed that out to me... I may have overreacted in thinking you'd gone over to the dark(er) side... yet at least.

But as I said before, I don't understand the logic behind your religion doing all god's judgment for it; if god is the supreme judge, why not let him actually do it? If you're wrong about his existence, even just hypothetically, then you've (as in your religion) killed and tortured a lot of people that god... if he existed... would be perfectly capable of torturing for himself when they reached the end of their life (without your helping hand in that process), so in a kind of strange messed up version of Pascal's wager, how can you justify that on the offchance that you're wrong from your perspective? And similarly, does not hastening the process, deprive god of potential penitents, who might have, over the course of their life, come to god, but had lost that opportunity by god's followers taking it upon themselves to kill them for their transgressions at the earliest possible opportunity?

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The Quran is clean on killing homosexuals; there is not even a single verse. As for God torturing and punishing, gives no right for people to play God and kill and torture, that's a divine right. And God is killing us all the time if you think about it; all of us die.

Makes our life; takes our life.

My bolds

I'm glad there's at least one Muslim out there that seems to agree with me on that point... that one's more than I expected to be perfectly honest, as sad as that is.

As to your views on the cause of homosexuality, I'm of roughly the same opinion (and I'm also bisexual btw); I'm firmly on the nuture... well environment... side of the nature vs nurture debate. In my own case at least, I see it as a developmental disorder, caused by the combination of the inherent plasticity of the brain in all things (including sexuality) and environmental learning during critical times of development. When I was growing up I went down two paths of environmental learning simultaneously, one was the socially validated 'straight' path (finding straight porn mags etc that had been hidden around school by older boys, or ringing the sex chat lines on the back of those mags on the school's payphone as a dare ...and getting caught for it ), and the other was the more private... and not socially validated in any way until I came out, if then... gay path. But the point from my perspective is that they're two distinct developmental paths that I followed at the same time, and came out of it bisexual, so it's very clear to me what the cause is from my perspective.

But this is a very sensitive issue with a lot of baggage in all directions, due to how much judgment there is in society around homosexuality, so I've learnt (from discussions on here in fact) that it's not good to generalise. Instead, let everyone speak for themselves, from their own experience, and hold their own views on its cause. All I can do is state what my view is, why it is, and say that IMO it applies to me, but make no assertion that it necessarily applies to others the same way.

That is fucked up man. A mental disorder?

You are no better than MK.

I think you might be getting too caught up in terminology there. I can see how it might be classified as a disorder from a clinical standpoint - just as other reproductive disorders are so-classified. It's obviously counter to evolutionary advantage. The key is not attaching moral or any other kind of judgement to it. It is not something to fear, to revile someone for or disrespect someone for.

^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.

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I have the feeling what I've said might get misconstrued; not disorder per se... because the word disorder has negative connotations... but developmental difference. There's no judgment about it; it's not something I see as being in need of treatment or to be changed, in my own or anyone else's case... it's just one of those things that is what it is.

[AFTT47]

I think you might be getting too caught up in terminology there. I can see how it might be classified as a disorder from a clinical standpoint - just as other reproductive disorders are so-classified. It's obviously counter to evolutionary advantage. The key is not attaching moral or any other kind of judgement to it. It is not something to fear, to revile someone for or disrespect someone for.

^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.

Yeah, I probably have a mental disorder myself: Asperger's Syndrome. It has something in common with homosexuality in that it hampers reproduction. I cannot stand the sound of a baby's cry - even on television. I'll plug my ears or leave the room to avoid it. A lot of other sounds have a similar effect on me but a baby's cry is the worse. On top of this, I just couldn't be bound by having to take care of a baby's every need. The total lack of parental instinct is definitely an abnormality and I would not take offense at it being called a "mental disorder" because it is IMO. It pretty much slides under the radar though because there is considerably less stigma on heterosexual men who have zero interest in being a father than there is on a homosexual man.