Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil.

[Edwardo Piet]

Tell them about a secular government, and all they hear is that the government recognizes their godgiven right to discriminate against people for wrongfucking.

I love the way atheists use the word secular as a synonym for godless. The true meaning of secular is being neutral with respect to sects.

Yes that is true but we know that do you?

[Fireball]

Tell them about a secular government, and all they hear is that the government recognizes their godgiven right to discriminate against people for wrongfucking.

I love the way atheists use the word secular as a synonym for godless. The true meaning of secular is being neutral with respect to sects.

Definition 1 from Google:

"denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis"

Lying for christ is still lying

[Edwardo Piet]

He will pull out a second drfinition

[Whateverist]

I love the way atheists use the word secular as a synonym for godless. The true meaning of secular is being neutral with respect to sects.

Definition 1 from Google:

"denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis"

Lying for christ is still lying

New rules: all English words shall have but one usage.  

Oh wait, I guess the rules for word usage in English isn't up for grabs.  NM

[Nay_Sayer]

The very reason why we have a debate about whether it is a choice or not, shows, most humans would not have a shadow of a doubt that is evil if free-will is involved.

But is there reason to believe if it is evil if free-will is involved, that free-will cannot be involved in it? Everything shows the opposite, what free-will can possibly do of evil, is possible in our realms of human choice.

This is the reality. If we start saying well some evils are possibly evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot touch it. Then I'm sorry, it makes no sense. How do we know what is evil if done by free-will, is through knowledge of good and evil.

And what is possibly evil by free-will, is also possible of free-will to put in place.

The Quran puts in the worst context possible. It shows it in the most ugly possible picture. A society that practically all of them have preferred men over women, that is not natural at all.  

Sure if they remain an unsignificant minority, people can say what harm but Quran shows in a possibility, that society had given in to a over all trend or fad, and had become homosexual. 

It doesn't have to prove that it actually happened to prove it as evil. It just shows it in the possible realms of evil,  these people were being gay because of social pressure and trend to be gay.

So it shows a possible motive for free-will to make it evil.

And perhaps in minorities, there are other factors then that make it free-will but are evil as well.

To make homosexuality the exception to the rule, that it would be evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot be possibly involved, is what requires proof. 

Otherwise, what has been stated is clear and this reasoning is clear and sufficient to break the deceptions of secular society and their insincere quest in defining good and evil.

I see, If I may counter;

Go fuck yourself, Preferably with a hot wire hanger.

[Joods]

So he starts this thread then when he gets the backlash he so readily deserves, he can't even come back in here to address anything anyone else has said.

Typical of a shit posting, trolling, masshole who did nothing but hurt some of the very people who had accepted him, a thiest, here, in an atheist forum of all places. I swear. It takes a special kind of stupid to do that to people who have openly accepted a religitard where the vast majority don't survive, let alone get any respect. No wonder why there are only about a handful or less here that are respected. Most of them can't be trusted to be respectful back.

So... MK... how'd that work out for ya?

[Silver]

I wouldn't mind a decent anti-gay thread. This one is just silly.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Definition 1 from Google:

"denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis"

Lying for christ is still lying

New rules: all English words shall have but one usage.  

Oh wait, I guess the rules for word usage in English isn't up for grabs.  NM

I still read books.

[Silver]

I still read books.

And I wonder how old that dictionary is. You know they get updated, right?

[Mystic]

The very reason why we have a debate about whether it is a choice or not, shows, most humans would not have a shadow of a doubt that is evil if free-will is involved.

This is false.

The reason why there is a debate is purely because there's two opposing claims.  The debate is whether or not sexuality is a choice.

No, it would have been more on the lines "it is not wrong if there is free-will or not free-will involved for certain, so why does it matter if free-will is involved in choice or not" and if people really felt strongly that if it is done by free-will as a factor, then it would not be evil, people would not care for the free-will factor at all. 

The very fact they resort to making it an exception to free-will, shows they know it is wrong if free-will is a major factor and it comes down to a choice of the state of the person (even if a very long choice with many psychological factors).

And the question is really, how and why we know this. It is our knowledge of good and evil, and everything possible of free-will to choose and is evil, is in fact really actually possible for it to choose.

That is why I spoke about the story of people of Lut in Quran, because it puts into the worse context. A context where people were choosing this to the extent the society men became lustful towards men instead of women and began to justify other crimes.

I know no one accepts this story as probable or even historically possible, but it is no doubt philosophically possible.   So the sin shown philosophically, going back the premises of what is rationally possible of free-will to do of evil, is in fact actually possible of free-will to do of evil.

I hope for an honest discussion but won't hold my breath!