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Can someone debunk this
#81
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 10:51 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(November 2, 2017 at 10:37 am)Cyberman Wrote: No. It's the wrong question because it's a red herring. The apropos question is not how Astreja would correct the 'design', but why the 'design' should require correcting.

We must first figure out IF the design CAN be corrected to determine if there is even a flaw...

So once again, how would you improve the design?

(November 2, 2017 at 10:39 am)pocaracas Wrote: You see where your nose is?
And where your mouth is?
And then you see how their functions have to cross over to reach lungs and stomach?

The quick and dirty engineering solution is to simply swap the mouth with the nose... I assume some extra details should be tweaked.... perhaps putting the air intake right under the lower jaw? And have it be more of a wide chamber, instead of a tall one... and instead of sharing glands with the eyes, it would share with the mouth.
Extra point: no more sinus.

How does speech factor into this design?

Does speech need to be like ours? or is it just sound that's required?
It can be produced by similar vocal cords like ours, sending the sound out through the "nose". This nose would have some muscles to help introduce variations in those sounds, much like our mouth and tongue do.

Alternatively, it is well known that as we inhale, often air ends up in the stomach... we could have air go in there all the time and have a special system designed to send out air through the mouth, thus producing speech very similar to ours... but perhaps a bit smellier Tongue
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#82
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 10:03 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(November 2, 2017 at 9:00 am)Astreja Wrote: You really are a sick fuck, Huggy.  How dare you belittle the experience of the innumerable people who have lost family members in such a manner, as well as the people themselves who spent their last moments gasping for breath with pieces of food lodged in their windpipes.

If this is what your religion has brought you to -- snarking about a legitimate medical issue to try to score a point against those mean old atheists -- then you can bloody well keep it.

^^^^Excellent example of fake outrage.

Alright Asteja, since you consider the trachea and esophagus connecting at the throat to be a terrible design, how would you improve it?

You really don't get it, do you?  You're like a fucking child.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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#83
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 10:03 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Excellent example of fake outrage.

There is nothing fake about my outrage.  I know what it's like to get something stuck in my throat and have to cough it up.  I also know what it's like to have a chronic cough from gastrointestinal reflux disease.  

Oh, and google "aspiration pneumonia."  It's real, it can be fatal, and it is directly attributable to food, liquid or stomach acid that gets into the respiratory tract.  It is particularly dangerous to bedridden elderly individuals, and in fact I've lost a family member to it.

Yes, Huggy -- This shit just got personal.  If the only way for you to understand this is to have it happen to you or someone you love, so be it.

(November 2, 2017 at 10:40 am)Hammy Wrote: See, it's all about quantity of deaths and suffering for fuckwits like Huggy. He doesn't give a shit about how acutely individuals suffer or how awful their death is. He counts the mere quantity of deaths and people who suffer the same way he counts up his stupid fucking prayers for God.

For him it's not about empathy and genuine caring. It's about doing the lord's work even when it's a bunch of bullshit.

I suspect you are correct, Hammy.  I'm getting a strong sociopath vibe from him.
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#84
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 10:51 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(November 2, 2017 at 10:37 am)Cyberman Wrote: No. It's the wrong question because it's a red herring. The apropos question is not how Astreja would correct the 'design', but why the 'design' should require correcting.

We must first figure out IF the design CAN be corrected to determine if there is even a flaw...

So once again, how would you improve the design?


No, we don't. If god designed it, he increases suffering with it, as he could have designed it perfectly, being god.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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#85
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 11:04 am)pocaracas Wrote: Alternatively, it is well known that as we inhale, often air ends up in the stomach... we could have air go in there all the time and have a special system designed to send out air through the mouth, thus producing speech very similar to ours... but perhaps a bit smellier Tongue

Oh.... and this secondary air usage would result in no shortage of actual breath during songs or speech.
There would end up being a lack of air for speech, but never for breathing as that would be a separate system.
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#86
RE: Can someone debunk this
Quote:That works out to about 73 kids (under the age of 5)per year in the U.S. (and seeing how I specified INFANTS, the number gets even smaller), which is hardly an epidemic. 41,000 people die every year from second hand smoke and second hand smoke isn't on anyone's list of concerns.

Hey, dickhead.  If a "god" designed it then it should never happen at all.  Your god sounds like the proverbial office temp with a bad attitude.
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#87
RE: Can someone debunk this
Quote:Alright Asteja, since you consider the trachea and esophagus connecting at the throat to be a terrible design, how would you improve it?
Not using our throat to eat or not using our throat to breathe we see examples of this throughout nature so it's definitely  possible. 

Quote:We must first figure out IF the design CAN be corrected to determine if there is even a flaw...
Nature already shows this 


Quote:I didn't realize you atheists struggled so much with eating... I mean infant children seem to have it down pat.
Children and infants die all the time from choking so what the fuck are you on .


Nice Huggy selectively chooses his statics . I wonder why you didn't include this or your source . Maybe because you left information out . And infant child is semantic people under five die or and injured by choking . Hyper specifying infant  does not help your case . A flaw that leads to non fatal injury is still a flaw. And trivializing 73 deaths is still a dick idea .

Quote:and more than 12,000 children are taken to a hospital emergency room each year for food-choking injuries.

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/inj...ildren.htm                            
Quote: Children under age 5 are at greatest risk for choking injury and death.

[url= https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/inj...ildren.htm] https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/inj...ildren.htm [/url]



As for no one caring about second hand smoke . Id like to know what your smoking 









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#88
RE: Can someone debunk this
Oh and do i need to point out the lack of a protection mechanism from gaseous toxins like second hand smoke is yet another design flaw with the  respiratory system . So thanks for another example with foes like you who needs friends.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#89
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 2:57 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Oh and do i need to point out the lack of a protection mechanism from gaseous toxins like second hand smoke is yet another design flaw with the  respiratory system . So thanks for another example with foes like you who needs friends.

Well see, the holy horseshit was written long before Columbus got back with tobacco and who could expect a 'god' to have the foresight to see what was coming down the road in another thousand years.  Apparently 'gods' have serious limitations!
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#90
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 2, 2017 at 10:31 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(November 2, 2017 at 5:21 am)Cyberman Wrote: Theists don't choke on food?

Lol, Huggy is victim-blaming people who choke to death.  That's a new one from the Theist camp.

(November 2, 2017 at 5:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Also from your website
https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/inj...ildren.htm


That works out to about 73 kids (under the age of 5)per year in the U.S. (and seeing how I specified INFANTS, the number gets even smaller), which is hardly an epidemic. 41,000 people die every year from second hand smoke and second hand smoke isn't on anyone's list of concerns.


A lot of diseases can be traced back to GMO's and hormones put in our food. 

Sources please.  Preferably reputable ones.  😏

And "Because Denmark" isn't an answer.
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