Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

[Abaddon_ire]

No the point can't be moot, you made an accusation and need to stand behind it with some sort of proof, I take it this is a dodge though. I never said that God didn't know what would happen, God is eternal (omnipresent) and has lived through all eternity, He has no beginning and no end and has always known all things. God being eternal means He has existed in all times and places all the time.

According to the bible, god is neither omniscient, nor omnipotent nor omnipresent. This is not subject to interpretation, the bible states it flat out.

The addition of the tri-omni-twaddle is something later added or retconned and on that score the bible has some very strict things to say about the punishment for retconning.

[Cod]

people who claim it's a fairy tale spend valuable time discussing it is even more hilarious.

People who believe and watch people claiming it's a fairy tale must have a similar amount of time to waste. It's only funny when you don't realise what damage this bullshit is doing in the real world.

[KevinM1]

This.

The idea that a being who can construct an entire universe actually did it so he could spend eternity with a bunch of glorified monkeys who behaved the way he likes is so fucking asinine, it's hilarious.

And people kill each other over this shit.

That people who claim it's a fairy tale spend valuable time discussing it is even more hilarious. And don't bother saying it's because of the real world impact of religious belief, as this site isn't changing jack shit.

Why would this site change shit?  Also, I’ve learned a fair amount from my fellow heathens.

[possibletarian]

He did create spiritual beings - angels.

Yes he did, and it all went wrong there too oddly from the creatures who knew him the best, they decided he wasn't worth worshiping.

So, the choice facing God was:

1. Create, which rewards those who love him, but punishes those who hate him or want nothing to do with him; or

2. Not create, which rewards those who hate him or want nothing to do with him (as they avoid eternal punishment), but punishes those who love him (as they miss out on eternal happiness.)

That's the point, if people (souls) are created at conception no one misses out on anything except god of course who would rather create a majority who will suffer eternal punishment. Those who don't come into existence miss out on nothing at all.

So my question remains, why didn't god stop pro-creation after the fall ?

Isn't it much more logical to reward your loved ones and punish your enemies, than the opposite?

Don't you mean the ones who you scare shitless enough into loving you, and do as you say.

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This.

The idea that a being who can construct an entire universe actually did it so he could spend eternity with a bunch of glorified monkeys who behaved the way he likes is so fucking asinine, it's hilarious.

And people kill each other over this shit.


That people who claim it's a fairy tale spend valuable time discussing it is even more hilarious. And don't bother saying it's because of the real world impact of religious belief, as this site isn't changing jack shit.

Well no because we see lives lost over religion on an almost daily basis, we see kids taught that the world started 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, we see scandal after scandal, abuse after abuse by the the church your imaginary god loves so dearly.

Actually these sites do change jack shit, I was a Christian for many years and I thank the people who kept at me, made me challenge what now I see as a delusion. Maybe one day you will wake up and see the light too

[John V]

Yes he did, and it all went wrong there too oddly from the creatures who knew him the best, they decided he wasn't worth worshiping.

1/3 of the angels rebelled. 2/3 decided he was worth worshipping.

That's the point, if people (souls) are created at conception no one misses out on anything except god of course who would rather create a majority who will suffer eternal punishment. Those who don't come into existence miss out on nothing at all.

I miss out on a life that I like now and eternal life that's even better if I'm not brought into existence. Why should god punish me for the sake of those who ignore or mock him? That position makes no sense.

So my question remains, why didn't god stop pro-creation after the fall ?

My answer remains - to have eternal fellowship with those who want it.

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people who claim it's a fairy tale spend valuable time discussing it is even more hilarious.

People who believe and watch people claiming it's a fairy tale must have a similar amount of time to waste. It's only funny when you don't realise what damage this bullshit is doing in the real world.

First, when you're discussing something you believe in and addressing challenges to those beliefs, it's not a waste.

Second, from  our POV we have eternity, so even if time here is wasted, it's not much of a loss. You guys only have this one life. It's sad actually.

[Abaddon_ire]

Yes he did, and it all went wrong there too oddly from the creatures who knew him the best, they decided he wasn't worth worshiping.

1/3 of the angels rebelled. 2/3 decided he was worth worshipping.

Demonstrate that angels exist please. While you are there add talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns and dragons. Your bible claims all of those are real.
While you are at it, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The answer is 16, but do you know why that is?

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I miss out on a life that I like now and eternal life that's even better if I'm not brought into existence. Why should god punish me for the sake of those who ignore or mock him? That position makes no sense.

You really miss the point.  If bible god appeared right now directly in front of me, would I believe in him? Sure. Would I worship him? Absolutely not, he is an immoral thug unworthy of even being vaguely liked as an occasional acquaintance. 
Why might I say that? Well according to bible god...
Slavery is moral.
Rape is moral. Except if you are a woman in which case it's your own fault.
Murder is moral.
Human sacrifice is moral.
Genocide is moral.
Capricious random death is moral.
Butchering infants under 1 yo is moral.
Incest is moral.
I could continue, but seriously, would you worship that kind of scumbag?

[possibletarian]

I miss out on a life that I like now and eternal life that's even better if I'm not brought into existence. Why should god punish me for the sake of those who ignore or mock him? That position makes no sense.

No you don't miss out on anything if you never existed, there is no body/soul there to miss anything
No you are not been punished if you never existed, no body/soul ever existed to be punished.

To say you are been punished or missing out like you are being put to death for something is silly.

It's not as though god had an excuse he had already seen his angels deserting him, (according to the bible) to go on and create people he know would suffer is just nonsense. unless he embodies the perfect selfish being.

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Demonstrate that angels exist please. While you are there add talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns and dragons. Your bible claims all of those are real.
While you are at it, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The answer is 16, but do you know why that is?

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You have clearly not seen Shrek

[John V]

I miss out on a life that I like now and eternal life that's even better if I'm not brought into existence. Why should god punish me for the sake of those who ignore or mock him? That position makes no sense.

No you don't miss out on anything if you never existed, there is no body/soul there to miss anything
No you are not been punished if you never existed, no body/soul ever existed to be punished.

To say you are been punished or missing out like you are being put to death for something is silly.

It's not as though god had an excuse he had already seen his angels deserting him, (according to the bible)  to go on and create people he know would suffer is just nonsense. unless he embodies the perfect selfish being.

Why do you see it as selfish to create other beings and give them eternal happiness?

[The Grand Nudger]

If I had three kids so that they could make me happy, and I burnt two alive for their failure in that regard..would you point to the third and say;

"Solid dad, really puts the kids interests ahead of his own"

No, ofc not, because you know just as well as I do that nothing about that entire scenario, from start to finish, is anything other than monstrously and absurdly selfish. You know the same is true about your god as well...which is why you pointed to the third kid in the first place.

[Cyberman]

While you are at it, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The answer is 16, but do you know why that is?

One fell off.