Another mass shooting.....

[c172]

True. And "Texas's worst". Not surprised.

[AFTT47]

When does this end?

When the 2nd amendment goes away. Mass shootings are an unavoidable consequence of it. It's like smoking and lung cancer. At some point in the future, Americans may decide that preventing these things is more important than having the right to own a firearm. It will take a massive cultural shift though. It's beyond the horizon.

[The Industrial Atheist]

This is truly heartbreaking.  But at least this senseless slaughter will motivate some serious, meaningful gun control legislation.  Right?  It will, right?

Boru

No!
Because everyone knows he would've just killed everyone with a fork instead!
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

Get rid of guns and people will just commit mass murder with beat up butter knives.

[Brian37]

Realistically, never. Not sure the motive yet, but the Las Vegas shooting probably inspired the shooter somehow. Police couldn't stop that one. They might not have been able to stop him.

I dunno. I'm rambling.

Also by coincidence, this shooting happened on the 8th anniversary of the Fort Hood shooting. Just on the news: The shooter is a 26 year old white man  by the name of Devin Patrick Kelly. Thought it was also said that he may be a veteran.

Oh my THOR,

Americans, both left but especially right, are stick on motive. 


It doesn't mater if it is a black guy, a white guy, a veteran, a Muslim, a pissed of worker, an angry school kid, or mentally ill person. The one thing they all had in common was EASY ACCESS TO FIREARMS.

I mentioned before, it is especially disturbing to me that even when GOP congressmen and country music fans are targets and still the right doesn't offer up anything but "sell more and do nothing".

Motive is the distraction, and the NRA loves it. Not the members, but the leadership who run it and their vile marketing of always scaring the crap out of everyone because the sane say, "Hey guys, what we are doing isn't working."

We make too many and we hand them out way too easily.

[c172]

Yeah. Pretty much "shanks" as they call them in prison.

But at least it can be limited by better background checks, I think.

[Joods]

Also by coincidence, this shooting happened on the 8th anniversary of the Fort Hood shooting. Just on the news: The shooter is a 26 year old white man  by the name of Devin Patrick Kelly. Thought it was also said that he may be a veteran.

Oh my THOR,

Americans, both left but especially right, are stick on motive. 


It doesn't mater if it is a black guy, a white guy, a veteran, a Muslim, a pissed of worker, an angry school kid, or mentally ill person. The one thing they all had in common was EASY ACCESS TO FIREARMS.

I mentioned before, it is especially disturbing to me that even when GOP congressmen and country music fans are targets and still the right doesn't offer up anything but "sell more and do nothing".

Motive is the distraction, and the NRA loves it. Not the members, but the leadership who run it and their vile marketing of always scaring the crap out of everyone because the sane say, "Hey guys, what we are doing isn't working."

We make too many and we hand them out way too easily.

People are always going to want a motive, a reason why, if you will. It helps with closure. I have a friend who's son was depressed. The son killed his grandmother and then took his own life. There was no note. For a long time, my friend has and continues to struggle with why her son did that. She lost two people she loved that day. She will never receive answers. She won't ever have proper closure because she will never get those questions answered.

So yes - you make fine points but to question the people who want to know the "how" behind a senseless crime, really isn't fair. Unless you are sitting in their shoes, who are any of us to say people shouldn't question motive?

[Catholic_Lady]

This is what you say when children are murdered? When people lose their spouse, parent, sibling, child?
Disgusting.

It's also official rcc policy.

What the fuck are you talking about

[The Valkyrie]

26 year old veteran, newly married and a bible school "teacher" is what I've just heard about the shooter.

[Edwardo Piet]

It's also official rcc policy.

What the fuck are you talking about

^^^^ When CL says "fuck" and isn't joking we know there's real passion in a statement.

[Brian37]

Oh my THOR,

Americans, both left but especially right, are stick on motive. 


It doesn't mater if it is a black guy, a white guy, a veteran, a Muslim, a pissed of worker, an angry school kid, or mentally ill person. The one thing they all had in common was EASY ACCESS TO FIREARMS.

I mentioned before, it is especially disturbing to me that even when GOP congressmen and country music fans are targets and still the right doesn't offer up anything but "sell more and do nothing".

Motive is the distraction, and the NRA loves it. Not the members, but the leadership who run it and their vile marketing of always scaring the crap out of everyone because the sane say, "Hey guys, what we are doing isn't working."

We make too many and we hand them out way too easily.

People are always going to want a motive, a reason why, if you will. It helps with closure. I have a friend who's son was depressed. The son killed his grandmother and then took his own life. There was no note. For a long time, my friend has and continues to struggle with why her son did that. She lost two people she loved that day. She will never receive answers. She won't ever have proper closure because she will never get those questions answered.

So yes - you make fine points but to question the people who want to know the "how" behind a senseless crime, really isn't fair. Unless you are sitting in their shoes, who are any of us to say people shouldn't question motive?

Yes of course, but we are not talking about individual cases, we are talking about a long term national trend. 

It does you no good to talk about the motive of the individual, without addressing the long term conditions.

Our firearm violence as a nation is due to a few factors. Mainly and most importantly because of a industry as far as makers whom don't care where their products end up or whom is hurt. They have a profit lobby in the NRA that obstructs anything sane that might reduce firearm deaths. 

GOP economics also is a big part of it. Lack of decent wages for workers, lack of health care, lack of funding for anything and everything that could make the average family more stable. 

"Senseless" is another word I hate. If we find a motive then it does make sense. Unwanted does not mean the act can't be explained, it only means we don't want it happening.

We can make sense out of violence, of any kind, and that is what "motive" is. But what gets ignored which is far more important at this point in history are the long term conditions that lead to people doing these things. 

GREED, by the firearm maker companies, is ultimately the same damned thing the planet has with oil and climate change. Focusing on one individual that is effected by the conditions is a mistake, because the long term sample/trend in understanding those things is what you should focus on in order to reduce those incidents with individuals.

When you have more families working more and more for less and less, there are always going to be more problems. The NRA was when it started an honorable organization, but now it is simply another profit lobby. Just like big Tobacco used a "smokers rights" lobby to protect its vile marketing. 

None of what I just typed is a call for a one party fascist state. Only to say the way we are doing things is not working. 900 Americans since the Vegas shooting have died, from all forms of firearm fatalities. Conditions need to be addressed as far as policy, motive is an individual thing. Understanding the individual cannot matter if the conditions are not there to fund ways to prevent the individual. A flooded market and ease of access do not seem to be reducing the individual from doing these horrible acts.