One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.

[Mystic]

Khemikal, you can reflect better and you can reach enlightenment. I am going to school. I will make threads on etiquettes of reflection.

[WinterHold]

-and there we are explicitly affirming the problem of evil again, and that god is the definition of evil.

The problem with earthly tyrants..is that they're just not as good at it as god is.

No, he is the creator of evil, and who controls it. If you got born with a hand missing; it's because he wished so and wrote that upon you.
Human tyrants need. God doesn't need. God creates.

Here are interesting verses from the Quran about this:

Sura 59, The Quran:
( 23 )   He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.

Sura 67, The Quran:
( 2 )   [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving -

Sura 19, The Quran:
( 83 )   Do you not see that We have sent the devils upon the disbelievers, inciting them to [evil] with [constant] incitement?

To be a weak God; you need to be like Greek Gods: only known for one or two traits. There is no ultimate merciful and at the same time all powerful tyrant. All tyrants control evil only; not evil and mercy.

[Mystic]

It seems that gods grace and help didn't amount to much, then...huh?  

The grief of the grief-stricken strangers awaiting the return of their leader and true anointed king, the navigator to the just city, the door of God.

What you said is sadly true, but still, without his help, the chaos and oppression would have been much more severe and there would be no freedom but only Pharaohs ruling till this day, and the Illuminati would have their way.

[WinterHold]

Khemikal, you can reflect better and you can reach enlightenment. I am going to school.   I will make threads on etiquettes of reflection.

Don't forget to answer my month old question!

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1653072

Answer any of these.
And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1638653

AtlasS33 said:

I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-

[The Grand Nudger]

Khemikal, you can reflect better and you can reach enlightenment. I am going to school.   I will make threads on etiquettes of reflection.

Oh, will you, thanks that'd be swell...not content to tell me what to think, you also feel the need to tell me how to think it?  

No, he is the creator of evil, and who controls it. If you got born with a hand missing; it's because he wished so and wrote that upon you.

That's the problem...not the solution, lol.

Human tyrants need. God doesn't need. God creates.

OH, IDK...he seems to need earthly tyrants to enforce his will, and people willing to subject themselves to tyranny, or who really wish there was a Great Kim Jong in The Sky, in order to stall off being forgotten.

When's the last time you heard about Balor the One Eye? I;m guessing never. That;s because he got killed by a leprechaun...and that's where Allah is headed too.

[Mystic]

Khemikal, you can reflect better and you can reach enlightenment. I am going to school.   I will make threads on etiquettes of reflection.

Oh, will you, thanks that'd be swell...not content to tell me what to think, you also feel the need to tell me how to think it?  

How to think is more important than what to think, the former opens so many doors.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I don't know about you guys but around here in Christian neighborhoods all kinds of crimes are extremely low(very very very low), not just Christian neighborhoods Muslims, Hindus, Jews, basically every religious neighborhood. The only thing these communities have in common is that they follow the word of God (the kind of what is called as "objective morality"). Since we're on the topic of evil and religion, just wanted to put that out there.

Also, ever noticed how when people get sentenced some become religious and they're like a completely different God fearing person once they're out.. It's laughable some people think God encourage rape, murder etc (like ill informed people thinking atheists kill babies for pass time lol), if that were true people would turn MORE evil after they are religious.

[Ravenshire]

I don't think there is lack of evidence for God, but I do think we Theists are not presenting the evidence well.

If there is evidence for God, then it should be, ya know, evident to us; regardless of how one individual chooses to present it.

Especially considering the number of theists we've had presenting their "evidence" around here

[The Grand Nudger]

I agree Pool, magic book is laughable.....but if I were you, I wouldn't laugh at the lord your god.

[Mystic]

I don't know about you guys but around here in Christian neighborhoods all kinds of crimes are extremely low(very very very low), not just Christian neighborhoods Muslims, Hindus, Jews, basically every religious neighborhood. The only thing these communities have in common is that they follow the word of God (the kind of what is called as "objective morality"). Since we're on the topic of evil and religion, just wanted to put that out there.

Also, ever noticed how when people get sentenced some become religious and they're like a completely different God fearing person once they're out.. It's laughable some people think God encourage rape, murder etc (like ill informed people thinking atheists kill babies for pass time lol), if that were true people would turn MORE evil after they are religious.

There have been studies, that when Atheists remember God they tend to do more good as well. I don't mean they believe in him, I mean just remembering God, they are inclined to do more good.

You bring a good point and my point was just slightly off-topic of yours.