Why the Texas shooting is not evil, based on the bible

[Joods]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

This was indeed a senseless tragedy that never should have happened in the first place. But I don't see anyone standing up and saying anything against those people who are blaming atheism on this. The shooter was deranged and should never have been allowed to have guns. The military dropped the ball with this guy and dozens of innocent lives were taken.

[Jackie]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

CL, you have been here far too long to pull this.

It is about LOGIC, not rights.


WE get you truly believe what you do. WE get that you hold the position that your God is good, and the correct one. WE GET THAT. Many of us used to believe. I am a former Catholic myself, so please don't go there.


We criticize the logic of it. We don't like events like this anymore than you do. 

The logic simply is not there to claim an all powerful deity, who claims to be your protector but cant or wont stop things like this.

"Mysterious ways"
"I can do what I want"
"Free will"
"I don't have to explain myself to you".
"Faith"

If you needed a baby sitter, and interviewed them for the job, and they gave you the following response, would you hire them?

You, "So what is your past experience?"

Baby sitter, "I have baby sat 99 kids. 33 of them nothing happened to. 33 I allowed a child molester to molest them, but got them arrested after the molestation. 33 I let the molester rape them and murder them and let them flee."

Would you hire such a baby sitter with such a spotty record? I am sure your answer is "no". 

Great, I would not either. So what excuse would an allegedly "all powerful" God have?

Maybe God belief exists, not because a God exists, but because humans gap fill, and want a God to exist. Maybe if humans want less of these types of events happening, maybe instead of clinging to old mythology, we rely on data, we rely on laws, we rely on psychology, we rely on social stability. 

Yes we are going to criticize any and all God claims, not just yours, but all worldwide. If our species never questioned social norms, our species never would have left the caves.

[drfuzzy]

[Face2face]

[Minimalist]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

An equivalent number of people were killed at Sandy Hook.  It hasn't stopped the gun nuts from claiming it was a government conspiracy.  Remember, we are atheists.  Churches have no special status to us.  In fact, I find schools far more useful.

[Face2face]

Clearly stated?

Clearly stated my foot.  

Where is the evidence that God clearly stated this or that?
Where is the evidence that what is written in this or that book is what God said or if is true what is written in a particular book about God what about the correct interpretation of the words?

Are you aware that if you would face a judge in a court of law with no clear evidence you would lose the case?    

Even if God created the good and evil are the human being that act using their free will not God.

(color mine)

What do you mean where in the Bible is it clearly stated that God is a mass murderer?

I provided the scripture (Isaiah 45:7)

Unless pre school English has recently radically been changed, "all evil" would nicely cover any messed up thing to ever happen to humans or any other species.

That evil also includes "free will", as murderers have the "free will" to murder here on earth, according to the bible and free will is yet another thing, and God created all things.

Anything that happens is on "God" , as God is said to create all things, including the action of man. The minute you say God didn't do it, you are lying about the "holy Bible" which says in fact God did it and does it all, not just the good bits, but the messed up bits too.

Its funny most theists say God did it when good things happen, otherwise they suddenly turn of God's did and does everything power when bad things happen.

That is some fine contradiction right there.

[Minimalist]

Apparently the "free will" of the victims not to be murdered doesn't count for shit with this so-called 'god.'

[Nay_Sayer]

...Responding to the murder of 26 Christian people in church by taking it as an opportunity to criticise their faith. The sociopathy is strong with this one.

Perhaps, but he's not wrong.

[Martian Mermaid]

Hello.

The disgusting Texas shooting that occurred recently got me thinking.


In the bible, God is said to wipe out the entire planet's animals (save for a Noah and family, and animal pairs)

I always wonder why theists love Gods that are clearly stated to fancy killing billions. 

Eg: Isaiah 45:7 says God creates all good and evil.

Now for the question: Is killing more and more humans a way for theists to get closer and closer to the bible God's kill count (i.e. closer and closer to God)? In that case, was Hitler an exceptionally good Christian?

Wouldn't God kind of take credit for every death anyway since he created creatures to eventually die?

[Succubus]