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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 11:04 am
(November 12, 2017 at 6:51 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 11:28 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A. a christian who believes god wants them to go the extra mile to be kind to everyone, even if just as an evangelism tool or to win goody points in heaven.
B. an atheist who's a cynical curmudgeon who thinks since he doesn't believe in god, he has no reason to act morally or be nice.
Choice B is describing a nihilist, not an atheist.
From my experience on these forums, many, if not most, atheists feel this way:
Quote:Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 12:33 pm
(November 12, 2017 at 6:51 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 11:28 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A. a christian who believes god wants them to go the extra mile to be kind to everyone, even if just as an evangelism tool or to win goody points in heaven.
B. an atheist who's a cynical curmudgeon who thinks since he doesn't believe in god, he has no reason to act morally or be nice.
Choice B is describing a nihilist, not an atheist.
Technically, that's true. But as a practical matter the philosophical positions presented by 90% of AF atheists are nihilistic so it is fair to generalize. Personally, I believe that all atheistic philosophy is ultimately nihilistic or at least I haven't yet seen one that doesn't devolve into nihilism upon close scrutiny.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 12:40 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 11:28 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: A. a christian who believes god wants them to go the extra mile to be kind to everyone, even if just as an evangelism tool or to win goody points in heaven.
B. an atheist who's a cynical curmudgeon who thinks since he doesn't believe in god, he has no reason to act morally or be nice.
Can you give a bit more information?
Specifically, about what those two people allow themselves to do?
Also, I want to point out that amoral atheists are in fact quite rare.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 12:44 pm
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I'm with AFTT47 on this one, my neighbour can think or believe in whatever he or she likes, just so long as he or she does it quietly!
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 2:32 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 10:32 pm)c172 Wrote: Either could be clingy onto me as a disabled person. The Christian will occasionally forcefully lay hands on me in prayer, and the atheist would just bitch about his life but then say that at least he's not a cripple.
Luckily I'm not too neighborly in real life.
Not sure what you mean by disabled person, Take it from yours truly, we're not clingy.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 2:36 pm
(November 13, 2017 at 11:04 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 12, 2017 at 6:51 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Choice B is describing a nihilist, not an atheist.
From my experience on these forums, many, if not most, atheists feel this way:
Quote:Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
They bounce around absolute moralists with no understanding to how someone can get it wrong when they disagree with someone or with no signs of doubts their moral view is right, to nihilists.
Jump one way than the other.
I agree with William Lane Craig that no one is truly a nihilist, they just give lip service to it when it appeals to them. In essence, everyone believes in objective morality whether they admit to themselves or don't.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 2:50 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Aegon Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 11:22 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Only 6"? Perhaps you should upgrade your equipment.
I think 6.5" is the PERFECT size impact driver.........
Agree. I'm short waisted and wouldn't want somebody tickling my adam's apple.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 2:53 pm
(November 13, 2017 at 2:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In essence, everyone believes in objective morality whether they admit to themselves or don't.
Yes, because it's so much easier to dismiss people's views when you know them better than they do.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 2:56 pm
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(November 13, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (November 13, 2017 at 2:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In essence, everyone believes in objective morality whether they admit to themselves or don't.
Yes, because it's so much easier to dismiss people's views when you know them better than they do.
It is evident even in your reaction and all reactions of Atheists, they believe in objective morality. Whether they acknowledge this belief to themselves is something I don't know, but they certainly in essence believe and know objective morality exists.
See it in every reaction - confusion happens when you don't separate what you truly know from what you don't, mix it all up, and pick whatever suits you on the occasion you like.
In short, it is following one's caprice without guidance.
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RE: Atheists, Who would You Rather Have as a Neighbor
November 13, 2017 at 4:51 pm
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(November 13, 2017 at 2:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 13, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Yes, because it's so much easier to dismiss people's views when you know them better than they do.
It is evident even in your reaction and all reactions of Atheists, they believe in objective morality. Whether they acknowledge this belief to themselves is something I don't know, but they certainly in essence believe and know objective morality exists.
See it in every reaction - confusion happens when you don't separate what you truly know from what you don't, mix it all up, and pick whatever suits you on the occasion you like.
In short, it is following one's caprice without guidance.
And it's evident your posts have nothing of value or content, just blathering on like a religious random phrase generator.
You don't know shit about what we think.
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