On this world if humans ceased to exist would god cease to exist?

[brewer]

God would go on not existing in the literal sense but it is hard to say whether He'd go on existing in the literary sense.  I mean if a book has text on it but there is no one there to read it .. do the characters still 'come alive'?

That's a beautiful notion!

Would Coco the gorilla still be around?

[Godscreated]

There are no inconsistencies in the Bible

GC

No inconsistencies? Well, what about straight up mistakes? Any of those in your buy-bull?

No, the Bible is a spiritual book and if you take it differently than what it's meant to be you could find what you believe to be inconsistencies or mistakes.

GC

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...There are no inconsistencies in the Bible...

GC

I couldn’t find this in mh.brewer's PDF, but anyway here it is:

Who was at the empty tomb?

Mark - Three women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene , a second Mary, and Salome.
Matthew - Two women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary.
Luke - At least five women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and “other women.”
John - One woman visits Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene.

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When did they visit the tomb?

Mark - They arrive after sunrise.
Matthew - They arrive at about dawn.
Luke - It is early dawn when they arrive.
John - It is dark when they arrive.

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Was the door open?

Mark, Luke, John - The stone in front of Jesus’ tomb had been rolled away.

Matthew - The stone in front of Jesus’ tomb was still in place and would be rolled away later.

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Who greets the women?

Mark - The women enter the tomb and meet one young man in there.
Matthew - An angel arrives during an earthquake and rolls the stone away, and sits on it outside. Pilate’s guards are also there.
Luke - The women enter the tomb, and two men suddenly appear — it’s not clear if they are inside or outside.
John - The women do not enter the tomb, but there are two angels sitting inside.

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What do the women do?

[url=https://www.thoughtco.com/jesus-resurrection-and-the-empty-tomb-248770][/url] Mark - The women keep quiet, despite being told to spread the word.
Matthew - The women go tell the disciples.
Luke - The women tell “the eleven and to all the rest.”
John - Mary stays to cry while the two disciples just go home.

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 Empty tomb,  I guess you haven't heard of people giving different details about the same event have you, it happens and they all can be correct. Go ask an officer who has investigate a crime.

Visit the tomb, All the accounts have them arriving early in the morning of the same day, you're trying to make a big deal out of something that rational people can see clearly.

Open tomb, All the accounts say the tomb was open, Matthew gives the details on how it was opened. 

Who greets the women, All the accounts say or suggest that angels were present and greeted the women, again different people giving slightly different details about the same event. You made a mistake, the guards did not belong to Pilate, they were Temple guards.

What the women did, We may not have a complete work of Mark, the last few verses could have been added later. The other three all agree that the women went and told the disciples. In John that is Mary's second trip to the empty tomb.

 You haven't a leg to stand on, each story is told by a different person giving different details about the same event, none of the details are inconsistent with the others just more or less detail. You are trying to pick apart a story that is solid and consistent in all four gospels. The tomb was found empty the morning the women went to it, there were angels there and there is a detail of the resurrection that was given in only one gospel that you didn't even notice, can you find it and if so what is the significance of this detail.

GC

[Ravenshire]

No inconsistencies? Well, what about straight up mistakes? Any of those in your buy-bull?

No, the Bible is a spiritual book and if you take it differently than what it's meant to be you could find what you believe to be inconsistencies or mistakes.

GC

Nice dodge. I'll make it more plain. Are there any factual errors in your buy-bull? C'mon GC, you can do better. No dodging this time.

[Godscreated]

No, the Bible is a spiritual book and if you take it differently than what it's meant to be you could find what you believe to be inconsistencies or mistakes.

GC

Nice dodge. I'll make it more plain. Are there any factual errors in your buy-bull? C'mon GC, you can do better. No dodging this time.

 I'm not dodging, there are a few things yet to be determined but they are not significant to the purpose of the Bible. You have anything in mind you want to discuss just write it out.

GC

[Cyberman]

When JC was praying by himself in the garden of Gethsemane, while everyone else was asleep - we'll gloss over the idea of him basically talking to himself - who was there to know about it, to the point of knowing exactly what he said?

[brewer]

When JC was praying by himself in the garden of Gethsemane, while everyone else was asleep - we'll gloss over the idea of him basically talking to himself - who was there to know about it, to the point of knowing exactly what he said?

These guys?

[pocaracas]

@OP it is often said that, if mankind was to wake up tomorrow fully amnesiac, with all books and sources of information gone... Science would be rediscovered pretty much as it is, while religion (if any developed) would be different.

So....... god wrote the bible? Is that now your position?

As I have said many times God inspired the writers of the books of the Bible, please keep up with what I post in the past and you wouldn't have to ask such silly questions.

GC

This here, ladies and gentlemen, is what it's called a retcon:
noun
1.
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.


The writers of the Bible were writing a story that was floating around in oral form...
As with all orally transmitted tales, it accrued mistakes/extra bits/omitted parts.
Omissions are lost forever.
Mistakes make themselves noted in the famous contradictions.
Extra bits were used to draw in the listeners... And make them dream and make them spread the story.

Writing it down, however, crystallized it as it was at the time of writing... And at the place of writing.

To say that this hodgepodge of stories was inspired by God is a way that the religion came up with to properly legitimize the stories, in spite of the inconsistencies.
Sell the "inspired" thing for two or three generations, and all subsequent folk will believe it and never even dream of questioning it.

If people would stop propagating and perpetuating the religious beliefs, within two or three generations there would be nearly no belief systems in place.
The whole ecclesiastical class would have nothing to do and would disappear.. How to employ all those people?...I don't know, maybe that's why governments tolerate it.
Would the common folk be happier? Would they be calmer? Would there be more political/social unrest? Would people be kinder or angrier?

[Godscreated]

@OP it is often said that, if mankind was to wake up tomorrow fully amnesiac, with all books and sources of information gone... Science would be rediscovered pretty much as it is, while religion (if any developed) would be different.

Much of science would be the same, but not all of it because some of it is not accurate and some of it is down right lies. Many different religions would develope, however Christianity would remain the same because it is from the living God creator. Real truth can't be change in either God or science.

As I have said many times God inspired the writers of the books of the Bible, please keep up with what I post in the past and you wouldn't have to ask such silly questions.

GC

This here, ladies and gentlemen, is what it's called a retcon:
noun
1.
(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.


The writers of the Bible were writing a story that was floating around in oral form...

The story of God before Moses was passed around, that's why there are similarities in some of the religions. God gave Moses the details in Genesis and then God gave Moses the first five books of the Bible. After that the prophets were writing what God inspired them to write, they were writing the story of God and man as it unfolded.

GC
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[pocaracas]

Oh gc, how would Christianity develop, if no one had the book to follow the ancient story?

And I agree that science would develop slightly differently, going the wrong way on a few things that we probably got right, and the right way on some things we've gotten wrong... Still, Newtonian physics would be the same...quantum physics would be similar, relativity would be the same.

About Moses, I'd have to ask you what makes you accept that that is what really happened?