"Why not a proof/Sign/indication" - challenge and various responses to it in Quran.

[drfuzzy]

Nothing that comes out of the Quran, the Bible, or any other printed source in any language constitutes proof.

You are right. Hold your horses. You will see that God is very precise with what he says constitutes proof.

The only way I will accept proof as "he says" is if HE shows up and proves it.  On international TV.  In the presence of multiple teams of reputable scientists.  And even then, I won't necessarily accept whatever this entity says as proof that it is worth "worship".  In fact, any entity that demands worship is automatically unworthy to receive it.

[Pat Mustard]

MK, could you make it either 4 or 6 parts. I have this thing for prime numbers and don't want 5 ruined.

For it it to be true it needs to be in 42 parts.

[downbeatplumb]

I will provide proof that I am the most sexually attractive man in the world.

But first I must define what I consider proof.

I Consider proof to be:

A: What my wife says. She is very trust worthy and I have no reason to doubt her word.
B: I have a mirror, I mean I can see my sweet sweet self.
C: I used to have documented proof by a third party dating from before my wife met me confirming this, until my wife found it and burnt it with a certain amount of relish.

So there you are three proofs that I am indeed a sex god.

[Mystic]

God will show the signs.... but is not sufficient concerning your Lord.....


Verse 41:53

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?


As for the ending sentence, it shows indeed regarding God, that he being a witness to all things is a sufficient sign. There are many signs and proofs, but this one has been picked out in Quran, because it is one of the more apparent reminders and proofs of God.

Everything is created in truth and through God's vision of what they truly are.   As that is only the way possible for creation to exist, the reminder is a perfect proof of God and reminds of him.

Verse 90: 7 says "Does he think no one sees him?", and in the first Surah revealed it says in 96:14 "Does he not know God sees him?".


It becomes manifest that God already is manifest enough through creation, that his since creation manifests being defined by the vision and a witness, there is no doubt about his existence.

However Quran offers plenty of other reminders and proofs of God. We will look at some of those.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Something is watching you pee, you couldn't pee unless something was watching you, therefore allah".

[Mystic]

Not only does the Quran claim that being a witness over all things is a proof of God, but it proves his oneness and uniqueness:

Then is He who is a maintainer of every soul, [knowing] what it has earned, [like any other]? But to Allah they have attributed partners. Say, "Name them. Or do you inform Him of that which He knows not upon the earth or of what is apparent of speech?" Rather, their [own] plan has been made attractive to those who disbelieve, and they have been averted from the way. And whomever Allah leaves astray - there will be for him no guide. ("13:33)


Indeed we can see that whatever we have earned is to be only judged by a perfect judge.  The one who truly knows our inner secret as is - is the one who sees through absolute vision, and the absolute vision is the perfect judge and knowing one, the absolute beauty and goodness.


This was a similar theme as mentioned before but slightly different, and the moral argument also exists in Quran. We will look at verses to do with that.

[The Grand Nudger]

So, god watches me pee -and- wipes my spirit ass for maintenance when I take a shit, and has been keeping a running tally on both.

He sees you he sees you he sees you he sees you...jesus christ! It's enough to drive a paranoic to murder.

[Whateverist]

Fuck the Koran and fuck Muhammed!

If you've already started menstruating you're probably not Muhammed's type.  (Roy Moore's either.)

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MK, could you make it either 4 or 6 parts. I have this thing for prime numbers and don't want 5 ruined.

If so I hear HBO is interested.

[Mystic]

You are right. Hold your horses. You will see that God is very precise with what he says constitutes proof.

The only way I will accept proof as "he says" is if HE shows up and proves it.  On international TV.  In the presence of multiple teams of reputable scientists.  And even then, I won't necessarily accept whatever this entity says as proof that it is worth "worship".  In fact, any entity that demands worship is automatically unworthy to receive it.

*smiles* Ok, you will never accept God no matter what the proof is unless it meets your conditions. I see.

[Whateverist]