How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

[Cod]

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order.

See bolded. God isn't a man, so your point falls apart.

Isn't he? He sloshed about in the womb for 40 weeks didn't he?

[The Grand Nudger]

@Greatest
I'm just not as impressed by the character of jesus, nor of Watts opinions on jesus.

[Whateverist]

What's wrong with The Lord God Almighty getting pissed off when a menstruating woman dishonors His Holy Church by trying to get in ??

Bloody hell!

[John V]

Standard operating procedure. Go to a grocery store. Check out the meat section. Check out the pest control section. We routinely kill other beings merely because they're tasty or a minor annoyance. We conveniently draw the "immoral" line at ourselves, and some animals like dogs and cats that amuse us.

There are things that we do to each other that are normally considered evil, but we give ourselves exemption when we do those things to beings which we consider lesser than ourselves. Since we're lesser beings than God, it's not "special" to say that God can therefore do as he wants with us.

So he's no more enlightened than we are?

His motives are righteous judgment. Ours are tasty meat and getting rid of petty annoyances. So, yes, he's more enlightened than we are.

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I would have to have an example of this before judging if you are correct or not.

Show what you mean.

I did, with the example that followed. Humans claim rights over lesser beings, but cry foul when a greater being claims rights over themselves.

God can cure and make the lesser equal if he chooses to do so.

And he will do so with the saved. If you don't want in on it, that's your choice.

[The Grand Nudger]

I did, with the example that followed. Humans claim rights over lesser beings, but cry foul when a greater being claims rights over themselves.

Set fire to a dog and see how people respond, lol.

I just want to be clear, here...that you're expressing the notion not only of people as property....but people as property with even fewer rights than a dog under our own sense of ownership?

[Greatest I am]

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?
 
I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.
 
If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.
 
I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.
 
As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.
 
The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.
 
The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.
 
If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.
 
In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.
 
I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?
 
Regards
DL

  How can you assert such things without first proving them, seems you are a very confused person, get the game right, please.

GC

Tell us my friend, is using genocide, killing and torturing when one can cure as well as kill, good character traits; be it a man or a God that does the killing instead of curing?  

I think curing is the best moral position yet God kills.

Should a God who kills instead of curing be adored, or should such a God be hated?

Regards
DL

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I hope you like Alan Watts. My favorite philosopher.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf...r_embedded

Regards
DL

I wouldn't call Watts a philosopher himself though. Most of his ideas are merely interpretations of Eastern philosophers that came long before him.

Indeed. We all work off of ideas that came from others, except for new ideas that sometimes enters our minds if we are extremely lucky.

Most of us are never that lucky and never have a really new or original though.

Those who do become out legends and heroes and men of renown.  

I would give my kingdom for a new idea.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest
I'm just not as impressed by the character of jesus, nor of Watts opinions on jesus.

Why?

Do you not recognize that that archetypal Jesus wants to free your mind from both religious and political dogma and make you a free thinking person?

What is wrong with that character trait?

Is the outcome sought of free thinking not what you would want to give your children?

Regards
DL

[Chad32]

So he's no more enlightened than we are?

His motives are righteous judgment. Ours are tasty meat and getting rid of petty annoyances. So, yes, he's more enlightened than we are.

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I would have to have an example of this before judging if you are correct or not.

Show what you mean.

I did, with the example that followed. Humans claim rights over lesser beings, but cry foul when a greater being claims rights over themselves.

God can cure and make the lesser equal if he chooses to do so.

And he will do so with the saved. If you don't want in on it, that's your choice.

Righteous judgement? He's letting people through or rejecting them based mainly on whether or not they worship them, instead of their actions. You can spend your whole life feeding the poor, tending to the sick and downtrodden, and doing your best to build a better future for the next generation, but if you follow a different religion or just don't believe in religion, you go to hell. You can be a mass murdering narcissist, but if you repent on your deathbed, you get into heaven. That's not righteous.

Yes, our reasons are tasty meat. Because we need meat for a well balanced diet. Not everyone can handle a completely vegan diet. Certainly not young children. Meat is a basic necessity. And while we do think of animals as property, many of us usually cry foul when people abuse or kill animals wantonly.

[Greatest I am]

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I would have to have an example of this before judging if you are correct or not.

Show what you mean.

I did, with the example that followed. Humans claim rights over lesser beings, but cry foul when a greater being claims rights over themselves.
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That is not so as no greater being, in terms of a God, has ever appeared to claim that right.

Till one does, as Jesus said, man is the light of the world. If you find a God with a greater light, that is real and not just in the imagination of people, then you might have a point.
 

God can cure and make the lesser equal if he chooses to do so.

And he will do so with the saved. If you don't want in on it, that's your choice.

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Saved from who if not the same entity that immorally condemned them for being exactly what such a being created.

Regards
DL

[The Grand Nudger]

Why?

Do you not recognize that that archetypal Jesus wants to free your mind from both religious and political dogma and make you a free thinking person?

What is wrong with that character trait?

Is the outcome sought of free thinking not what you would want to give your children?

Regards
DL

The "archetypal jesus" is an invention of your own mind, not the character of scripture.  I think it;s amusing that you've somehow transformed jesusism, in your mind, to free thinking.  While that fiction may be, in your re-imagining, some sort of bodhisattva, the jesus of scripture asks questions like- 

"Do bitches even deserve miracles?"

You could have told me you follow the god Bob, who's a super swell dude, and it would've been just that much more coherent.

[John V]

That is not so as no greater being, in terms of a God, has ever appeared to claim that right.

If you feel that way, then people have no reason to justify their God's ways at this point.