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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 7:46 am
(November 29, 2017 at 7:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: (November 29, 2017 at 4:47 am)Alexmahone Wrote: I'm an atheist and a non-vegetarian but I can clearly see that raising and slaughtering animals for food is immoral. This is partly because of the appalling conditions under which most of these animals are raised and the fact that we are killing them for our benefit.
Do religious folks agree? If not, how do they ethically defend non-vegetarianism?
Farming animals is worldwide. Could our species do a better job? Sure, but don't look for that to end though.
I think (hope) that the treatment of farmed animals will get a lot better down the road. Maybe 500 years from now humanity will look back at the way we treated animals the same way we look back on slavery - that its atrocious and we cant understand how society ever allowed it. Or better yet, maybe we will find a way to make synthetic meats so we won't have to kill animals at all anymore.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 8:50 am
I don't think it's immoral.
I think animals on farms are often a lot happier and healthier than animals in the wild.
I think it's when animals aren't raised, it's factory farming that's immoral.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 8:57 am
(November 29, 2017 at 6:45 am)Alexmahone Wrote: As an atheist, I don't see that much difference between humanely raising a pig and raising another human being for consumption. Pigs and humans are both very intelligent and sentient. Not sure what that has to do with atheism?
Quote:I think non-vegetarianism is immoral for everyone, of course. When did I say atheists don't have to justify it? I claimed it was immoral in my OP. Which means I have no justification for it.
That's not what it means for something to be immoral.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:08 am
Are we missing the obvious? Only humans have souls, not animals. god made them that way for a purpose. To deny that purpose would be an offense to god.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:33 am
When Alexmahone said slaughtering animals for food is immoral he was asking why make a world with such terrible thing like making other beings suffer so that you can live. Like if there was some inteligent creator could he not create better world then this:
even if humans start eating synthetic meat one day animals will have to suffer so that other animals can eat them.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:37 am
Then why make the need to eat at all?
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:38 am
Ummm .. no. Not 'immoral' but farm raised animals can be treated more or less inhumanely. I guess those who do it inhumanely and those who buy their products can be said to be immoral to some degree. A lot of pressure has been brought to bear on producers who keep or slaughter animals in an inhumane manner. Some of us prefer to eat 'happy meat'. But that we eat animals in and of itself is not something I lose any sleep over.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:54 am
(November 29, 2017 at 9:33 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: When Alexmahone said slaughtering animals for food is immoral he was asking why make a world with such terrible thing like making other beings suffer so that you can live. Like if there was some inteligent creator could he not create better world then this:
Or God is evil and twisted maybe, and enjoys watching things being killed, just as he intended.
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 9:59 am
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I think the question " why did God didn't create a better world ?" Is kind of a fallacy , how can we know it would work any other way or that this is thr best version?
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RE: How do religious people justify raising and slaughtering animals for food?
November 29, 2017 at 10:09 am
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Easily. There -are- autotrophic life forms on this planet. So, presuming some divine creator..it knew how to do that - and chose not too. More to the point, assuming creation at all assumes magic, and it wouldn't need to create autotrophic biology to achieve the purpose. Magic book goes to great lengths to propose exactly this, and then blames the -massive- failure of the design on a jumped up chimp. Because that's how shoddily the lord of the cosmos built his house. The guy couldn;t be trusted to make a zoo enclosure.
The creator of this world, barring incompetence, inherits responsibility for it's shortcomings. If someone builds a substandard house that predictably falls down on the heads of the occupants "it's the best house I could build, can you build a better one" means jack shit. Truth be told, the state of this world is a better argument for a malicious deity than an incompetent one..because some of the suffering is just too creative to have been accidental, if there was any intent behind it at all.
Go directly to jail.
OTOH..that's not how -any- of it happened, and the processes by which it did happen -are- categorically incompetent of being held to any moral standard.
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