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Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
#71
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 10:56 am)pool the matey Wrote:
Bow Before Zeus Wrote:Because atheism is based of rationalism and theism is based on faith.

Nope atheism is based on lack of faith not rationalism.

While I would say atheism isn't really 'based' on something - it's just a single response to a single question - you're right in the sense that atheism =/= rationalism.  People can be atheists for very bad, very irrational reasons, just like theists can be theists for similarly bad/irrational reasons.

Like if someone said "I'm an atheist because my church leaders were really cruel and acted horribly towards me", I might sympathize with them and try to help them feel better, but I would also say that's a bad, irrational reason to be an atheist - it has nothing to do with the examination of the (lack of) evidence, arguments, or philosophical concepts associated with the existence of god, it's just based on emotions.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#72
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 13, 2017 at 10:41 pm)pool the matey Wrote:
Catholic_Lady Wrote:Men seem to be the freaks on both ends of the intelligence spectrum lol.

Well if it was in an article then it must be true 😜

No I remember learning about it in psychology class back in college.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#73
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
I learned it too, that women are, on average, smarter than men; but men are more likely to be extremely intelligent or extremely unintelligent.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#74
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
Not saying it's not true, but are there any current studies that suggest that conclusion?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#75
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 10:56 am)pool the matey Wrote:
Bow Before Zeus Wrote:Because atheism is based of rationalism and theism is based on faith.

Nope atheism is based on lack of faith not rationalism.


I'm atheist precisely because I have more faith than you, nothing to do with rationalism.

(December 14, 2017 at 11:11 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I learned it too, that women are, on average, smarter than men; but men are more likely to be extremely intelligent or extremely unintelligent.


So you're saying our range is somewhere between sharp as a tac and dumb as a box of hammers?
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#76
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 11:17 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Not saying it's not true, but are there any current studies that suggest that conclusion?

I have no idea. This was a good ten years ago, but I'm sure a Google search might bring up some official information on this. The professor also said that asians have the highest IQ scores. Followed by caucasions and then blacks. For some reason, certain random bits of info stick with me.

It's crazy how men tend to be the ones with brain issues of sorts. Like, autism, general retardation, and sociopathy mostly happens to men, but so does genius. But i wonder if genius is also caused by a brain abnormality? Its almost like men's brains are more sensitive and more suceptible to abnormality. Must have something to do with the lack of an X chromosome?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#77
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 11:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 14, 2017 at 11:17 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Not saying it's not true, but are there any current studies that suggest that conclusion?

I have no idea. This was a good ten years ago, but I'm sure a Google search might bring up some official information on this. The professor also said that asians have the highest IQ scores. Followed by caucasions and then blacks. For some reason, certain random bits of info stick with me.

It's crazy how men tend to be the ones with brain issues of sorts. Like, autism, general retardation, and sociopathy mostly happens to men, but so does genius. But i wonder if genius is also caused by a brain abnormality? Its almost like men's brains are more sensitive and more suceptible to abnormality. Must have something to do with the lack of an X chromosome?

From the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differ...telligence (that has links to the studies/analyses, I've just removed the footnotes since they screw with AF's formatting):

Quote:The current literature on sex differences produced inconsistent results depending on the type of testing used. Among the researchers who conducted studies on intelligence, many point that there are no sex differences in g (Jensen 1998, Colom, Garcia, Juan-Esponiza & Abad 2000, Colom, Garcia, Juan-Esponiza & Abad 2002, Camarata and Woodcock 2006), some found a difference favoring males (Lynn 1999, Lynn Irwing 2004, 2008) and some found a difference favoring females (Keith, Reynolds, Patel & Ridley 2006 and Reynolds, Keith, Ridley, Patel 2006).The issues remains unresolved if one uses standardized tests as Jensen (1998) and Colom, Garcia (2002) agrees that there might be a small insignificant sex difference in intelligence in general (IQ) but this may not necessarily reflect a sex difference in general intelligence (g factor). The difference between the two concepts is that IQ is a psychometric scoring system measured with standardized testing, while g factor is a latent scientific construct that correlates with all cognitive tests and achievements in life. Although most researchers distinguish between g and IQ, those that argue for greater male intelligence assert that IQ and g are synonymous (Lynn & Irwing 2004) and so the real division comes from defining IQ in relation to g factor. However, in 2008 Lynn and Irwing proposed that since working memory ability correlate highest with g factor, researchers would have no choice but to accept greater male intelligence if differences on working memory tasks are found. As a result, a neuroimaging study published by Schmidt (2009) conducted an investigation into this proposal by measuring sex differences on an  working memory task. The results found no sex difference in working memory capacity and thus contradicting the position pushed forward by Lynn and Irwing (2008) and more in line with those arguing for no sex differences in intelligence. The same results in the 2009 n-back working memory study have also been replicated in numerous other studies since.

It seems like it really depends on how you measure 'general intelligence' (g) versus just an IQ number - and it seems like men and women are better at different things.  From what it says here, it doesn't look like it points towards the conclusion that women are smarter on average while men are more at both ends of the spectrum.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#78
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
Hmm interesting
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#79
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 11:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hmm interesting

Yeah the wiki article has some more info on where men/women excel more than others and talk about the (minority of) studies that DO point to a sex difference.  I was surprised at how well it's sourced with all the studies, but I guess wikipedia is getting away from what my teachers told me in high-school that 'wikipedia is unsourced and anyone can edit it!'
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#80
RE: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists
(December 14, 2017 at 11:00 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 13, 2017 at 10:41 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Well if it was in an article then it must be true 😜

No I remember learning about it in psychology class back in college.

I don't think that study was carried off with the most unbiased mind but yeah, even if it is true within the general population(which is highly highly highly unlikely) the correct conclusion to draw would be that women are actually smarter than men.
You don't say men are smarter if 19 are average and 1 is a genius, that'd like looking at something like "thousand hundred something birds can fly but 8 birds including penguins can't" and going "so birds can't fly". That aside pretty cool you did psychology I always wanted to try that subject so I'll get a glimpse inside the mind, or did you do it because it doesn't have math..
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