Record few Americans believe in Biblical inerrancy.

[vorlon13]

BTW, the Bible doesn't need to be inerrant or even a jot or tittle true at all.

It's all about what God wants of His followers in regards to their beliefs. It's THE PLAN, silly!

Simple as that.  

Hell if I know why inerrancy is even an issue.  


But since it is, well, then the believers and the apologists are stuck defending all the little jewels like these:


PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets.

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

MT 5:16 Good works should be seen.
MT 6:1-4 They should be kept secret.

MT 5:17-19, LK 16:17 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
EP 2:13-15, HE 7:18-19 Jesus did abolish the law.

MT 7:21, LK 10:36-37, RO 2:6, 13, JA 2:24 We are justified by works, not by faith.
JN 3:16, RO 3:20-26, EP 2:8-9, GA 2:16 We are justified by faith, not by works.

MT 17:1-2 The Transfiguration occurs six days after Jesus foretells his suffering.
LK 9:28-29 It takes place about eight days afterwards.

MT 26:26-29, MK 14:22-25 The order of the communion was: bread, then wine.
LK 22:17-20 It was: wine, then bread.

MT 27:11-14 Jesus answers not a single charge at his hearing before Pilate.
JN 18:33-37 Jesus answers all charges at his hearing before Pilate.

MK 15:25 It was the third hour when Jesus was crucified.
JN 19:14-15 It was after the sixth hour since Jesus was still before Pilate and had not yet been sentenced at that time.

LK 23:43 Jesus promises one of those crucified with him that they will be together, that very day, in Paradise.
JN 20:17, AC 1:3 Jesus was not raised until the third day and did not ascend until at least forty days later.

JN 5:31 Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true.
JN 8:14 Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true.

JN 17:12 Jesus has lost none of his disciples other than Judas.
JN 18:9 Jesus has lost none, period.

1CO 8:4 There is only one God.
2CO 4:4 Satan is God of this world (therefore there are at least two gods).

GA 6:2 Bear one another's burdens.
GA 6:5 Bear your own burden.

1TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
1JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.



And to reiterate, I don't think  a  True Believer need concern themselves about any of that, but it seems many think they do.

Have at it.

[John V]

@OP: The survey question is very poorly worded. I'm an inerrantist, but as worded, I would choose the inspired option. "To be taken literally" is bad wording. The Bible contains poetry, songs, dreams, visions, parables, etc. These by their nature aren't meant to be taken literally.

---

MT 17:1-2 The Transfiguration occurs six days after Jesus foretells his suffering.
LK 9:28-29 It takes place about eight days afterwards.

And?

Six is within the range of about eight.

[Anomalocaris]

Yeah, fewer Americans are actually dumber than yeast.

Then kindly explain how the WLB ended up in the White House!

Fewer Americans may be dumber than yeast, but more Americans are as dumb as yeast?

The average moved down even as the lower extreme moved up.

---

Here's the thing my "good people" The bible never claims to be inerrant.. that is a doctrine that was created several hundred years ago to superceed the power of the pope.

...

To say the bible is inerrant means one does not understand what the bible itself teaches. 

Tell that to your friends.

The Bible is not inerrant but what the Bible teaches in your inerrant opinion is inerrant, is that it?

[John V]

MT 26:26-29, MK 14:22-25 The order of the communion was: bread, then wine.
LK 22:17-20 It was: wine, then bread.

Luke 22:17-20
17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you,[b] I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Why don't you mention the cup in verse 20? You know, the one that compares to Matt and Mark? Makes me think you're just parroting another source and haven't checked these out yourself.

Luke also had bread, then wine. He just included a reference to the distribution of the wine that the others omitted.

---

We have a CLEAR crucifixion story on Maundy Thursday in John.  So God clearly demands belief in a Thursday crucifixion.  No doubt about it.

It's not clear to me. Care to explain?

[Jehanne]

@OP: The survey question is very poorly worded. I'm an inerrantist, but as worded, I would choose the inspired option. "To be taken literally" is bad wording. The Bible contains poetry, songs, dreams, visions, parables, etc. These by their nature aren't meant to be taken literally.

---

MT 17:1-2 The Transfiguration occurs six days after Jesus foretells his suffering.
LK 9:28-29 It takes place about eight days afterwards.

And?

Six is within the range of about eight.

Yeah, they are not sure of their history. Luke gets a number of other facts wrong:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

[Simon Moon]

@OP: The survey question is very poorly worded. I'm an inerrantist, but as worded, I would choose the inspired option. "To be taken literally" is bad wording. The Bible contains poetry, songs, dreams, visions, parables, etc. These by their nature aren't meant to be taken literally.

---

The problem is, that almost every believer will tell us nonbelievers, that different passages are, poetry, songs, dreams, visions, parables, etc. For every passage you might claim is parable, there will be another Christian from a different sect that will claim it should be taken literally.

And here I am, a nonbeliever, with no method of discerning who is correct, if anyone. There is nothing in the Bible itself to clarify things. All I have to go on is, admittedly fallible humans, telling me contradictory things.

Even if you happen know the ultimate designation as to which passages are poetry, songs, dreams, visions, parables, etc, how am I supposed to know? I have examples of millions of other Christians, with no more or less evidence for their interpretations, telling me some passages should be interpreted differently than you have interpreted them.

And the most obvious problem is, if a deity with the capabilities theists claim for Yahweh, he should have known that his method for recording his word would be rife with these kinds of problems, and many more. And he could have mitigated the problems without much effort.

[Minimalist]

MT 26:26-29, MK 14:22-25 The order of the communion was: bread, then wine.
LK 22:17-20 It was: wine, then bread.

Luke 22:17-20
17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you,[b] I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Why don't you mention the cup in verse 20? You know, the one that compares to Matt and Mark? Makes me think you're just parroting another source and haven't checked these out yourself.

Luke also had bread, then wine. He just included a reference to the distribution of the wine that the others omitted.

---

We have a CLEAR crucifixion story on Maundy Thursday in John.  So God clearly demands belief in a Thursday crucifixion.  No doubt about it.

It's not clear to me. Care to explain?

Good luck explaining the Day of Preparation to this moron, V.  I'd help but I have to go out.

[vorlon13]

Schwoop, right over their empty little heads. And I really am 'spotting' them Matthews valiant attempt at getting Jesus nailed up AGAIN on Ash Wednesday. Although I find my Trinity analog argument EXTREMELY compelling.

---

I feel a schism coming on!! Praise the Holy Trio!!

---

And I still don't understand the impetus to explaining what God simply requires belief in.

God wants His followers to believe in Kolob, or Teegeeack, or bearing each others burdens while not bearing each others burdens, big whoopee do. The problems arise when they try 'splainin' it.

It's frelling BELIEF you twits! I 'get it' better than the bloody lot of you do !!


Try harder, DAMMIT !!

[John V]

@mini: Please... Vorlon is obviously just parroting things he's read elsewhere without checking into himself. I challenged him on the Thu/Fri issue before and he ignored me. I've been through it more than once. I'm not concerned.

[Jehanne]

The authors of John do not care about history; they place Jesus' crucifixion on the Day of Preparation, because they want Jesus, the "perfect lamb", sacrificed on the same day that the lambs in the Temple were being slaughtered. Its just a motif for them.