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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 1:15 pm
(January 4, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Not one instance of supernatural causation or creation has ever been demonstrated while we are swimming in such instances of natural causation all around us.
Not one instance of life from non-life has ever been demonstrated, while we are swimming in instances of life from life all around us.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 1:18 pm
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Correction...-at least- one instance has. Here we are..swimming in life, as you put it. That's the entire reason that anyone is studying it. We seek to explain that observation.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 1:28 pm
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(January 4, 2018 at 1:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 4, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Not one instance of supernatural causation or creation has ever been demonstrated while we are swimming in such instances of natural causation all around us.
Not one instance of life from non-life has ever been demonstrated, while we are swimming in instances of life from life all around us. 
Not one instance of god creating life or indeed anything has ever been demonstrated. Yet you eager anticipate sucking the dick of such a god.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 1:42 pm
(January 4, 2018 at 12:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 4, 2018 at 12:25 pm)Astreja Wrote: If you can't accept beginnings, it stands to reason that you won't accept anything that was based on those beginnings either.
I have come to the conclusion that no matter what we show you, you will reject it because it contradicts your mythology-suffused worldview.
I haven't rejected Urey-Miller. Yes, I accept that scientists can take certain chemicals and turn them into other chemicals in a lab. So what? I've got plenty of amino acids in my house. They don't turn into life.
Are they mixed with lipids in an environment that is, at best weakly oxidizing? Is there a significant amount of UV radiation impinging with alternating cycles of wetness and dryness? Are there claylike materials around to act like catalysts? Is the environment clear of other competing life? Are there iron sulfur materials around to help local oxidation?
I didn't think so.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 2:28 pm
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 3:10 pm
(January 4, 2018 at 1:42 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Are they mixed with lipids in an environment that is, at best weakly oxidizing? Is there a significant amount of UV radiation impinging with alternating cycles of wetness and dryness? Are there claylike materials around to act like catalysts? Is the environment clear of other competing life? Are there iron sulfur materials around to help local oxidation?
I didn't think so.
Has creating such an environment resulted in life?
I didn't think so.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 3:14 pm
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alpha male Wrote:polymath257 Wrote:Are they mixed with lipids in an environment that is, at best weakly oxidizing? Is there a significant amount of UV radiation impinging with alternating cycles of wetness and dryness? Are there claylike materials around to act like catalysts? Is the environment clear of other competing life? Are there iron sulfur materials around to help local oxidation?
I didn't think so.
Has creating such an environment resulted in life?
I didn't think so. 
Are you saying that because it hasn't been demonstrated, it's unreasonable to think that it happened?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 3:17 pm
(January 4, 2018 at 3:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Are you saying that because it hasn't been demonstrated, it's unreasonable to think that it happened?
Think is too vague there. If you mean speculate, sure, knock yourself out.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
January 4, 2018 at 3:23 pm
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@ emjay
It's worse, they duplicitously make noises about fence sitting while infallibly declaring that no one can officially fence sit.
In short, they allow and provide support for catholics to -be- bad catholics, but they don't hesitate to re-assert their orthodoxy in official documentation. Genesis is real history insomuch as the central mystery of catholicism is a fact even if they're not going to set anybody on a pile of twigs about it (anymore). They don;t give a shit about the rest of the nutty christians literalist beliefs..those may not be true, under the bus they go........ but theirs infallibly are.
Cross their hearts, scouts honor, and no science can or will ever say anything to the contrary no matter the fact that all science says everything to the contrary. Catholicism is batshit crazy biblical literalism... even if catholics aren't.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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